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Okay, so I am having a bit of confusion on what to say, even though I am a native English speaker.

How would you describe a person (gone/deceased/dead/etc.)? Would you say:

Jack is out and gone.

Or:

Jack was out and gone.

Thank you!

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updated Jan 4, 2012
posted by SINGASDF12
Probably been asked before for Spanish's estar's dead, but this is different in that I want to know how it is in English. - SINGASDF12, Jan 3, 2012
I'd like to help you but I've never heard this expression before. "Jack has passed on." ? Try searching in google between inverted commas and see which has more results - rabbitwho, Jan 3, 2012
From a different cultural perspective, a person who is deceased is said to have transitioned. - kmaakheru, Jan 3, 2012
Could it be that a cultural term is what is being requested, or other means of describing this? - kmaakheru, Jan 3, 2012

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How would you describe a person (gone/deceased/dead/etc.)? Would you say:

Jack is out and gone.

—Or—

Jack was out and gone.

I can't say that I am altogether familiar with the expression "out and gone," but I have seen "dead and gone" or just "gone." In any case, choice of tense probably depends on what perspective you wish to use to narrate the event. Either should work, and choice of one or the other just depends on context:

Example 1:

?I couldn't bear to look Ralph in the face when I told him that his father was dead/gone/dead and gone/out and gone.

?I could hardly muster the courage to look him in the face, but I knew what I had to do. "Ralph, your father is dead/gone/dead and gone/out and gone," I told him.

Example 2:

?I didn't know that Ralph's father was dead/gone/dead and gone/out and gone. That explains why he has been acting so strange lately.

?Are you telling me that Ralph's father is dead/gone/dead and gone/out and gone. I didn't know that, but it certainly explains his behavior for the last couple of days.

updated Jan 3, 2012
edited by Izanoni1
posted by Izanoni1
I was going to say this same thing, but you did it better. Where, I wonder, do they say " out and gone"? - MLucie, Jan 3, 2012
I have no clue. It's a new one on me :) - Izanoni1, Jan 3, 2012
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out and gone.

Is this an expression for "dead"? I haven't heard this before.

Anyway, if that's the case, you should you is. Was would imply he came back to life.

Similarly, we don't say...

He was dead. (unless he was a medical miracle saved by Marshall-Hendrix cheese)

We say...

He is dead.


even though I am a native English speaker.

Also, if you are native English speaker, please make sure your language information in your profile matches this information.

updated Jan 3, 2012
edited by SonrisaDelSol
posted by SonrisaDelSol
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Anyway, if that's the case, you should you is. Was would imply he came back to life.

That would only be the implication if it were used in a direct quote. How ever, the distinction you make might be interesting.

There are two basic possibilities (in this context): What was actually said was "He is dead" or "He was dead." The latter would suggest the unlikely situation (as you pointed out) that he is no longer dead. In spoken English the word "was" would be the most stressed word in the sentence. In written English the "was" it would normally be written in italics (or boldface [as I have done]) to indicate the unusual stress.

It the whole sentence is expressed using indirect discourse (not a direct quotation) then the first possibility becomes "I said that he was dead." and the second "I said that he had been dead." The main verb being in the past tense requires that the subordinate verb (the one used in the indirect quotation) also be in some past tense.

Thus "was", in and of itself, does not imply resurrection. One needs to know the rest of the sentence (and it helps when correct punctuation is used).

updated Jan 4, 2012
posted by samdie
Interesting explanation, Samdie - Izanoni1, Jan 4, 2012
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It is new to me too .

updated Jan 3, 2012
posted by Yeser007
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I've never heard of this expression before. Where are you from?

updated Jan 4, 2012
posted by Brideofrocknroll
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I've never heard this either. Jack is dead and gone. Está muerto y ya no vuelve / regresa. Can't think of a better way to say it.

updated Jan 3, 2012
posted by jeezzle
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Estar muerto.

updated Jan 3, 2012
posted by kmaakheru
They are asking about the English, not the Spanish. - rabbitwho, Jan 3, 2012
An intermediate speaker of English is familiar with the terms regarding death as pointed out in the question, as well as the Spanish. So, What is the Question? - kmaakheru, Jan 3, 2012