You sound sick odd construction

Question

So we take this construction:

Te ves guapa

¿Me veo bien?

It's always been an odd one to me.

But I understand it.

So tonight Maria says.

You sound sick is not

"Suenas enferma"

But

Te oyes enferma.

And so I thought of "Te ves guapa" right off.

And see it as the same odd construction.

You hear yourself sick?

(You see yourself beautiful?)

Do you see what I mean?

So maybe "te oyes enferma" could be "suenas como una enferma"

Thank you for listening. Gracias por escuchar.

Have I ever told you that I love your questions? I think we have similar thought processes! - MLucie, Jan 1, 2012

Answer 1

Here's another thread on the same subject.

Maybe you could list the contents of that thread here since I cannot access Wordreference. Gracias. - jeezzle, Jan 1, 2012

Answer 2

Oh sorry Jeezzle, I forgot you've been banned, je je

It's a bit messy, feel free to edit and just leave the important bits lol

Hey, I might as well start a thread on this one. Jeromed just inadvertently taught me two new constructs. Verse and Oírse to mean appears and sounds. I get the impression, though, that they´re a bit "slangy" or informal. Am I right? Which would be considered more formal Verse and oírse or parecer and sonar? Reply With Quote 17th October 2007, 11:44 PM #2 Portorro
Member Join Date Mar 2007 Native language Puerto Rico - Spanish/English Posts 40 As in: "Construir el puente se vé difícil" versus "Construir el puente parece difícil" ?

AND "Esa toz se oye fea" versus "Esa toz suena fea" ?

Or are you talking about a different context? Last edited by Portorro; 17th October 2007 at 11:48 PM. Reason: added example Reply With Quote 17th October 2007, 11:55 PM #3 Bilbo Baggins
Senior Member Join Date Jul 2007 Location Manhattan, NY Native language American English Age 33 Posts 1,617 Originally Posted by Portorro
As in: "Construir el puente se vé difícil" versus "Construir el puente parece difícil" ?

AND "Esa toz se oye fea" versus "Esa toz suena fea" ?

Or are you talking about a different context? No. I know that they mean the same thing. I want to know if one form is more formal than the other. Also, why the accent above? It should just be ve...... in Spain anyway. Reply With Quote 18th October 2007, 12:03 AM #4 Portorro
Member Join Date Mar 2007 Native language Puerto Rico - Spanish/English Posts 40 As far as I know, "ve" is imperative for "ir", "vé" is for "to see". Could be terribly wrong.

I wanted to check you were thinking of the same conjugations I was before saying anything wrong. And yes, I think "se vé" and "se oye" sound more informal. Last edited by Portorro; 18th October 2007 at 12:43 AM. Reply With Quote 18th October 2007, 12:53 AM #5 lazarus1907
Senior Member Join Date Jan 2006 Location Lincoln, England Native language Spanish, Spain Age 39 Posts 8,580 "Verse" y "oírse" son los verbos "ser" y "oír" usados en construcciones impersonales o pasivas reflejas.

"Ve" no se escribe hoy día con tilde. Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. Reply With Quote 18th October 2007, 01:01 AM #6 Jeromed
Banned Join Date Jul 2007 Native language USA, English Posts 3,811 "Esa toz se oye fea" versus "Esa toz suena fea" ? Tos. Reply With Quote 18th October 2007, 01:31 AM #7 Rayines
Senior Member Join Date Aug 2004 Location Buenos Aires Native language Castellano/Argentina Age 64 Posts 14,023 Bilbo: En el caso de "ver" y "parecer", no son en todos los casos reemplazables, ni mucho menos su uso tiene que ver con ser formal o no. "Esta noche parece mágica" (más general); "Esta noche se ve mágica" (más directo). "Te veo preocupado" (más directo); "Parecés preocupado" (más indirecto). Hay matices en donde "parecer" es justamente la imagen que algo da, pero tanto "ver" como "parecer" implican al sujeto mismo que lo enuncia. "Sonar" quizás sí es un un poco más informal que "oír", con un componente algo más subjetivo. Son maneras de verlo, pero tal vez sólo con ejemplos podríamos aclarar las diferencias y similitudes . INÉS Reply With Quote 18th October 2007, 02:39 AM #8 Bilbo Baggins
Senior Member Join Date Jul 2007 Location Manhattan, NY Native language American English Age 33 Posts 1,617 Originally Posted by Rayines
Bilbo: En el caso de "ver" y "parecer", no son en todos los casos reemplazables, ni mucho menos su uso tiene que ver con ser formal o no. Rayines, gracias. Comprendo tu explicación completa pero qué quiere decir "...su uso tiene que ver con ser...." ...its use has to see with being....¿Era una errata o una expresión?

Originally Posted by Rayines
Son maneras de verlo, pero tal vez sólo con ejemplos podríamos aclarar las diferencias y similitudes . Estoy de acuerdo contigo pero desafortunadamente no tengo nada. Reply With Quote 18th October 2007, 02:58 AM #9 Rayines
Senior Member Join Date Aug 2004 Location Buenos Aires Native language Castellano/Argentina Age 64 Posts 14,023 "Ni mucho menos su uso tiene que ver con..." = "Ni mucho menos su uso está relacionado con...." jaja, es una expresión que usamos a menudo. INÉS Reply With Quote 18th October 2007, 07:13 PM #10 hfpardue
Senior Member Join Date Oct 2005 Location Santiago de Chile Native language United States - English Posts 1,243 tener que ver con = to have to do with Esta expresión se usa en todas partes. Creo que Rayines ha explicado rebien este asunto. Lo que pasa es que oírse y sonar no tienen el mismo sentido. No creo que oírse sea informal sino que puede ser poético.

De La Bella y la Bestia: Se oye una canción que hace suspirar Y habla al corazón de una sensación Grande como el mar. Hazme saber si mi español no es gramaticalmente perfecto, bien escrito y agradable de leer. ¡No quiero expresarme de forma rebuscada! Reply With Quote 18th October 2007, 09:21 PM #11 i heart queso
Senior Member Join Date Apr 2006 Location Monterey, California Native language English, Canada Age 25 Posts 2,094 Sólo quería añadir que "verse" se puede usar como el inglés "to look", en este contexto: You look good in the photo = Te ves bien en la foto. You look ridiculous doing that. = Te ves ridículo haciendo eso.

However, this usage is from Mexico (and perhaps other countries); but in Spain other expressions would be used. Reply With Quote 19th October 2007, 01:35 AM #12 hfpardue
Senior Member Join Date Oct 2005 Location Santiago de Chile Native language United States - English Posts 1,243 Originally Posted by i heart queso
Sólo quería añadir que "verse" se puede usar como el inglés "to look", en este contexto: You look good in the photo = Te ves bien en la foto. You look ridiculous doing that. = Te ves ridículo haciendo eso.

However, this usage is from Mexico (and perhaps other countries); but in Spain other expressions would be used. Es igual en Chile.

Good answer! Fun to read. - MLucie, Jan 1, 2012

"Tos", not "Toz" - Gekkosan, Jan 1, 2012

good point, I was just put in charge of cutting and pasting, sorry I didn't sign up for editing duties - oh Jeezzle! ..... :) - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 1, 2012

Answer 3

Okay, just to add to this question, what is the difference between "Te ves enferma" and "Te veo enferma"? I've heard both and they seem about the same. Thanks jeezzle!

Te ves enferma: You seem (look) ill. The veo enferma: It is my personal perception that you are looking unwell. - Gekkosan, Jan 1, 2012

nice - man it's nice having you pop in a bit more with your lovely little insights Gek - they are as always much appreciated - sigue así ;) - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 1, 2012

Thanks, Gekkosan! I agree with Kiwi! I always appreciate your lovely little insights! :-) - MLucie, Jan 1, 2012

ja ja Lucie :) ya dag! - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 3, 2012