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Is the term "negrito" an insult?

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Luis Suarez the footballer has been punished for calling a black player "negrito". He (suarez )claims the term is not an insult . the footballing powers dont agree.Who is right?

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updated Dec 21, 2011
edited by 00494d19
posted by 0151bola
Suarez is right. - chileno, Dec 21, 2011
Agreed - ian-hill, Dec 21, 2011
Suarez is in England. He is wrong! - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011
If I used the term coger in Latin America would anybody take offence? Hey I'm Spanish, its not an insult :P - - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011
Evra is in England and obviously knows nothing about South Americans or Suarez. - ian-hill, Dec 21, 2011
lol Ian. There are Latin American players in his own team. Evra knows exactly what a wind up is - and sometimes players cross the line - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011
Yep and now John Terry - a player I don't like much but I am fed up with all this crap. - ian-hill, Dec 21, 2011
Of course they cross the line in the heat of the moment - does that make it racist. NO NO - ian-hill, Dec 21, 2011
no disrepect, but as I said, lets agree to disagree! - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011

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Well Suarez needs to realise that he's in England, not South America, now. We have made massive strides to almost eradicate racism from sport. Our fans mix comfortably side by side (which of course they should do) regardless of race or colour. I must admit we still don't see too many British Indians/Pakistanis at football games, but hopefully as time passes this too will change.

Using the word 'negrito' to an opposing player, in whatever context, is wrong. Suarez will now know, not to do it again. Oh, and don't make me laugh, Suarez knew exacly what he was saying wink

updated Dec 21, 2011
edited by billygoat
posted by billygoat
Well said Billy! - RaulSpaniard, Dec 21, 2011
gracias hombre, eres un crack ;-) - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011
I would say that if he were living in England for at least 2 years and maybe that period of time is too short. He's a foreigner! Now after this, I guess he will be more careful. I know it is difficult to live in a racist country when you are not a racist - chileno, Dec 21, 2011
;) (I could not add the smily in my previous post) - chileno, Dec 21, 2011
@ Billygoat You got it wrong amigo - Evra should know better too and not started all this crap. It takes two to tango even in South America. :) - ian-hill, Dec 21, 2011
Sorry mate, we will have to disagree on this one. - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011
Guys, I lived through football in the 70s and 80s. I felt for the black players and fans. It was horrible - we do not want to go back there. Suarez knew exactly what he was saying and was trying to wind Evra up no doubt. As ive said below, I wonder - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011
whether he has used the same terminology with some of the other black players in the prem - they would eat him alive!!! - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011
.....bonus vote for telling it like it is billy. - steveduck2345, Dec 21, 2011
That's what you say. I know it is impossible for us to change your mind. Now, please think alike. :) - chileno, Dec 21, 2011
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I am fed up with all this if someone called me a "Stupid Gringo or Honkey" it is the stupid I would object to.

Enough of this crap !

I suppose maybe he didn't like being called a "negrito" = a little black man.

I can think of worse things to be called.

updated Dec 21, 2011
edited by ian-hill
posted by ian-hill
Good to see you! Glad you are feeling better! - hollyjollyberry, Dec 21, 2011
:)) gracias - getting back into my stride with a little controversy. - ian-hill, Dec 21, 2011
Hi there, Ian. I hope you are okay :) Nice to see you around - cogumela, Dec 21, 2011
lol, best way to do it in my opinion... gets the blood pumping! :) - hollyjollyberry, Dec 21, 2011
Glad to see you back! and by the way, the translation is not little man, but little boy. The comment was as to make him feel he was a kid and that he was playing with grown ups. ;) - chileno, Dec 21, 2011
Hi Ian ,nice to make your aquaintance,glad to hear that you are on the mend. - 0151bola, Dec 21, 2011
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It isn't racist.

As a matter of fact, most of the time is used as a term of endearment. It can be used in a derogatory phrase, but it isn't racist.

Remember, is not what you say, but how you say it. smile

updated Dec 21, 2011
posted by chileno
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Words have only those meanings which you attach to them. So, determining whether something was said with an intent to offend requires understanding the context in which that word was said.

Perhaps Negrito is not an offensive word in the ordinary sense (as pointed out by 4Annie) but why did Suarez choose that particular word to refer to a black player? So, in this case, Suarez, most likely, used the term 'Negrito' as an insult.

updated Dec 21, 2011
posted by shuaib
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I find "negrito" to be pretty offensive, especially with that doubtful diminutive attached: -ito, dedicated to an adult.

I don't understand why someone has to refer to other's colour of skin while playing a game. It's distasteful.

I don't like neither negrito, nor chinito, nor blanquito (which nobody uses, by the way)

updated Dec 23, 2011
posted by cogumela
Again, obviously location and culture make a H U G E difference. Where you are, your statement makes perfect sense. Where I live, and where I grew up, the contrary holds true. - Gekkosan, Dec 21, 2011
That is exactly the point Gekkosan, Suarez is in England. We have worked hard to try and eradicate racism in our society. Suarez has been living in England for a year or so now - I'm sure he knows what he was saying! - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011
It is very possible, yes. My point, however, as other people have already stated, is that the problem is not the word itself, but where, when and how it is used. - Gekkosan, Dec 21, 2011
Laura no one uses "blanquito" is because it gets no reaction. - ian-hill, Dec 21, 2011
bllanquito? isnt he one of michael jacksons kids? - 0151bola, Dec 21, 2011
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so let me get this right, the word or term negrito can vary from one end of the scale being a term of endearment to a nasty racist insult at the other, that leaves a lot of grey area in between. As there wasnt any video evidence and as far as i know nobpdy heard what he is alleged to have said then it boils down to one players word against the other .Suarez should have been therefore given the benefit of the doubt and warned that this word is unacceptable on the football pitch.

updated Dec 21, 2011
posted by 0151bola
Correct. Even AMONG black people the n-word it can be used as a way to refer to their enemies and a third party would have to know the relationship between the people involved to know if it was meant offensive or endearing. Very complicated word! - S1r_Wakka, Dec 21, 2011
The "N' word - what a joke ! - you mean Negro ? What is wrong with that? I suppose I should object to the "C" word. Caucasion. :) - ian-hill, Dec 21, 2011
he is not saying negro...he is saying the extremely insulting n-word in english of course. - 00494d19, Dec 21, 2011
negro is just a colour, you can take it either as such or as an insult....but the n-word in English only means one thing! - 00494d19, Dec 21, 2011
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i have been trying to learn spanish for a couple of years mainly by using a dictionary or phrase books,i end up getting bored and consequently havent progressed much.its much better to practice speaking the language,ideally to a native spanish speaker,or intercommunicate with other likeminded folk .this is where you lot come in.now going back to the Luis Suarez issue.I have never come upon the term"negrito"its a new one to me and iv been studying spanish(half heartedly il admit)for a couple of years. now if i havnt heard it then what chance is there that the blokes sitting on the F.A disiplinary panel have ? pretty slim id guess.Iwould imagine that they would have had to consult a spanish speaker and ask them if "negrito"was a racist insult .The answer they got back must have been "too right it is" Have they got it right is all im asking.the FA asked the question and im doing the same.

updated Dec 21, 2011
posted by 0151bola
I think they got it right, and for the right reasons. Good points you make, by the way. - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011
Please remember that correct spelling and capitalization are mandatory on this site, welcome to the forum:) - 00494d19, Dec 21, 2011
Hmm not sure myself but thaks for the reply billygoat. - 0151bola, Dec 21, 2011
Gracias Heidita, lo intendare recordar. - 0151bola, Dec 21, 2011
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iv been studying spanish(half heartedly il admit)for a couple of years.

Well, good for you to find us thengrin

if you had been studying here for two years, your Spanish would be good by nowwink

find our free lessons above and all resources under "more".

Negrito can be a friendly term, and it can be an insult, all depends on context.

The word to use for an insult in this case would be negro + azo, extremely offensive.

updated Dec 21, 2011
posted by 00494d19
I concur, though in much of Latin America, even those las two terms are only I - Gekkosan, Dec 21, 2011
…insulting under certain deliberate circumstances. More often than not, negro and negrazo in LA are either neutral,or even flattering g terms. - Gekkosan, Dec 21, 2011
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Oy, this is something!

Why do we have to punish him? He most likely did not mean any harm (if he did, he would be repeating episodes like this). Even if he did mean it; why get him on one little incident? I don't get it.

I am sure it is only offensive to those who take it. Simple as that.

Like a thread that was started before. Somewhere along the lines of "Is it offensive to call a woman 'chica'?" A person replied with saying that it is if you don't know her very well and it is not if you know her well. All in the eyes of the beholder. Unfortunately, the eyes of the beholder here (the powers) pounce on every little thing they can.

updated Dec 21, 2011
edited by SINGASDF12
posted by SINGASDF12
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Suarez is 1/4 black himself (black grandpa). Black people call each other such names in a friendly way all the time (just lookup the lyrics of some mainstream rap songs). Therefore it could have been a term of endearment. In fact, Evra's own teammates sometimes call him by that name, so it's hypocrite at best.

updated Dec 21, 2011
posted by S1r_Wakka
wow, good to know there is somebody else to know about football, jeje, thanks, wakka, good info:) - 00494d19, Dec 21, 2011
Yes. I love Suárez. Such a lively fellow and always getting himself involved into some kind of controversy. - S1r_Wakka, Dec 21, 2011
erm interesting...well in the Premiership there are some great big and muscular black guys. They are not all slight and non aggressive like Evra. I wonder if Suarez has used the same term with some of those. I somehow think not! - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011
Well he wouldn't would he if they are so big - it wouldn't make sense. - ian-hill, Dec 21, 2011
you beat me to that one - 0151bola, Dec 21, 2011
Ian does the suffix 'ito' necessarily mean somebody is small? - billygoat, Dec 21, 2011
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"Duerme, Duerme Negrito" is a lovely lullaby sung by one of my favourites, Mercedes Sosa - obviously not derogatory in this context....maybe it depends on the country?

updated Dec 21, 2011
posted by nonombre
Big hit in Mexico was "Negrita linda"... In this case ditto, not derogatory. - Jeremias, Dec 21, 2011
Lots of great ideas connected to the word black in all languages. - ian-hill, Dec 21, 2011