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expressing "have you been (-ing)"

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Hola amigos! Lately, I have found myself really stumped over a certain grammar concept and could use any explanations / advice I can get. I have looked at countless websites that attempt to explain in, but for some reason it keeps tripping me up,

I understand that when a past action starts in the past and the action carries on into the present, the verb is conjugated into the present tense and the "hace + que" time expression construction is utilized. But I am unsure how to take that information and apply it; for example, in a question (such as):

are you trying to make an appointment for the first time, or have you been coming here to the clinic for awhile?

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¿está tratando de hacer una cita por primera vez, o ha estado viniendo aquí por un tiempo?

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updated Dec 7, 2011
posted by riverphoenix1970

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I understand that when a past action starts in the past and the action carries on into the present, the verb is conjugated into the present tense and the "hace + que" time expression construction is utilized.

¿Hace mucho tiempo que viene aquí? ? Have you been coming here for a while?

The "Hace + time" gives us a temporal anchor as to when the activity started. Because the activity being described is in the present tense, the sentence takes on (in English) the characteristic of a verb in the present perfect; namely, it describes an action that started in the past and which continues into the present.

Literally, the "hace + time" portion in the construction mentioned above tells "how long" something has been occurring, or perhaps a bit more literally, "how much time does it make (i.e. has passed)."

The way that this time expression functions might become more evident were we to closely examine the following question which literally asks us "Ho much time does it make that something has been occurring?"

?¿Cuánto hace que viene aquí a la clínica? ? How long have you been coming here to the clinic.

Removing the interrogative pronoun and specifying a time, we might form a statement such as:

?Hace un rato que viene aquí a la clínica. ? You have been coming here to the clinic for a while.

With the proper intonation (and punctuation in the written text) it is not difficult, then, to change a statement into a question:

?¿Hace un rato que viene aquí a la clínica? ? Have you been coming here to the clinic for a while?

A similar time expression that can be substituted for the "hace + time + que + present indicative verb" paradigm is the "llevar + gerundio" expression as illustrated in my response below.

In some countries, you might also run across "tener + gerundio" as evidenced by the following newspaper excerpt from El Diario de Ciudad Victoria (Tamaulipas, México):

Tengo toda mi vida haciendo esto ? I have been doing this my entire life.

updated Dec 6, 2011
edited by Izanoni1
posted by Izanoni1
mil mil MIL gracias, you have no idea how much this helped me. you are a very thorough explainer and I appreciate you taking the time to give me such a valuable explanation - riverphoenix1970, Dec 6, 2011
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Unfortunately, as an interpreter I can't change the sentence or leave things out

In my opinion the secret of good translation/interpretation is to avoid being trapped by the literal word for word approach at all costs. This is what separates the amateur from the professional.

To get the true sense and meaning and nuances of a sentence you cannot give a simply literal translation... if you want to stay employed grin

To me, the wit and skill of good translation is to immediately catch the idiomatic intention of the speaker and render that into easily recognisable, comfortable English.

But there you go, I could certainly use more work wink

updated Dec 6, 2011
posted by lagartijaverde
Exactly! Certain expressions and grammatical constructions that are idiomatic in one language may come off as foreign, stilted or completely unintelligible if they are translated word-for-word into another language. - Izanoni1, Dec 6, 2011
I agree 100 % with that, and I know that there is a difference between interpreting "word-for-word" rigidly (which I don't do) and interpreting for meaning and content (which I do do) but I don't think this sentence was like that me explico? - riverphoenix1970, Dec 6, 2011
the only reason I said I couldn't change the sentence was because the original answer I got was only asking 1/2 of the question, and I was looking for help figuring out a way to say the whole sentence. there's no way languages every directly translate - riverphoenix1970, Dec 6, 2011
that's why there's the saying "Lost in Translation" ;) - riverphoenix1970, Dec 6, 2011
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You might also try:

¿Lleva ya un rato viniendo aquí a la clínica?

updated Dec 6, 2011
posted by Izanoni1
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Hi River

Remember that English speakers have a love affair with the -ing (continuous) that Spanish speakers do not have (for several reasons that Izanoni could explain better than I)

WE use it almost too much in fact.

updated Dec 7, 2011
posted by ian-hill
very true, that is one thing I have been very aware of. For me, I try to only use it when someone is actually doing the action in the moment in which they're talking about it. if that makes sense jaja - riverphoenix1970, Dec 6, 2011
-ings can be nouns and adjectives the "iendos" and "andos" cannot. - ian-hill, Dec 7, 2011
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Unfortunately, as an interpreter I can't change the sentence or leave things out. I can think of much easier ways to say that sentence too, but it needs to be as accurate a translation as possible.

Thank you though smile I appreciate that someone responded

updated Dec 6, 2011
posted by riverphoenix1970
If you are looking for a word for word translation, I think that you are going to be dissappointed. As a translator, you should realize that accurately translating from one language to another does not always allow the luxury of literal/word-for-word... - Izanoni1, Dec 6, 2011
...translations. - Izanoni1, Dec 6, 2011
I do realize this, and I never said I was looking for word-for-word translations. I just think that this particular sentence was one where it couldn't be directly translated and I was not sure how to say it and preserve the meaning. thank you for helping - riverphoenix1970, Dec 6, 2011
OK...I see then. It seems I may have misunderstood you. I was under the impression that you were only concerned with the formation of time expression–as occurred in the 2nd clause—which is why I only focused my attention there. - Izanoni1, Dec 6, 2011
It's okay, it's easy to misunderstand fellow people on the internet :) no hard feelings. I just wanted you to know I full-heartedly agree with you and am very grateful for your explanation. It was just what I needed - riverphoenix1970, Dec 6, 2011