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Please could you proofread my mistakes

Opponents claim that young people lack the experience necessary to train or instruct other people. It might be true that youngsters do not have enough “life experience”, but they have a lot of experience in many other fields. To illustrate, Young people, because they were born in a more advanced technological age, are more knowledgeable and prepared to teach older people how to use a cell phone, how to run a program on a computer, or how to use all the features of a digital Carrere among other things.

Opponents also maintain that young people do not cultivate good reading habits; therefore, their academic level is not fully developed. Nonetheless, this argument completely ignores the fact that young people have developed different learning strategies that they use to learn. For instance, a lot of young people acquire knowledge working on projects, getting hands on experience, or watching videos on internet.

The final argument advanced by opponents is that young people are impulsive and tend to make quick decisions without worrying about the consequence of their acts. What’s more, opponents assent that most young people are impatient and do not have values. However, fast decision making is a highly appreciated ability this day due to competition and globalization. For example, headhunters recruit young university graduates with this special characteristic. When it comes to values.

It should be evident that argument against the capability of the young people to teach older people is not valid. Therefore young people have the strength and happiness that injects to older people to continue living but rather asking the grandparents on their grandchildren.

Thanks

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updated Dec 7, 2011
edited by maylegoas
posted by maylegoas

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This is a very good attempt, Maylegoas. I can definitely see improvements in your writing ability.

Opponents claim that young people lack the experience necessary to train or instruct other people. It might be true that youngsters do not have enough “life experience”, but they have a lot of experience in many other fields. To illustrate, young people, because they were born in a more advanced technological age, are more knowledgeable and prepared to teach older people how to use a cell phone, how to run a program on a computer, or how to use all the features of a digital Carrere camera, among other things.

Creo que la palabra "carrere" debe haber escrito "camera" ¿no?

Opponents also maintain that young people do not cultivate good reading habits; therefore, their academic level is not fully developed. Nonetheless, this argument completely ignores the fact that young people have developed different their own unique learning strategies that they use to learn. For instance, a lot of young people acquire knowledge while/by/through working on projects, getting hands on experience, or watching videos on the Internet.

La expresión «that they use to learn» es superfulo.

The final argument advanced by opponents is that young people are impulsive and tend to make quick decisions without worrying about the consequences of their acts actions. What’s more, opponents assent assert that most young people are impatient and do not have values. However, fast decision making is a highly appreciated ability this day due to competition and globalization. For example, headhunters (often/frequently/actively) recruit young university graduates with who exhibit this special characteristic. When it comes to values (¿Qué?).

Esta última frase, «When it comes to...», solo es un fragmento de una oración completa.

It should be evident that arguments against the capability of the young people to teach older people are not valid. Therefore, young people have the strength and happiness that injects to older people to continue living but rather asking the grandparents on their grandchildren.

No entiendo la oración final. Tal vez quiera decir algo como:

Moreover, young people display a certain exuberance, a passion for life that can reinvigorate older people.

No estoy tan seguro de lo que quería decir con lo de "but rather asking the grandparents on their grandchildren."

updated Dec 5, 2011
edited by Izanoni1
posted by Izanoni1
I think we agree on the meaning of the last sentence Izanoni - pintor, Dec 2, 2011
thanks very much Izanoni 1. It took me time, because I was studied your teachings, thanks so much teacher. - maylegoas, Dec 5, 2011
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Basically this is very good Mayle just a few alterations I would make......

To illustrate, because young people were born in a more advanced technological age,they are often more knowledgeable and prepared to teach older people how to use a cell phone, how to run a program on a computer, or how to use all the features of a digital camera among other things.

What’s more, opponents assert that most young people are impatient and do not have values. However, fast decision making is a highly appreciated ability these days due to competition and globalization**,when it comes to values.***(I have changed this to a comma as it wasn't a proper sentence,originally however I do not think you need the phrase "When it comes to values" at all )*

I agree with the point that xoxo made.I am going to post this part first as I am having difficulty with the last sentence......more to follow.....

updated Dec 5, 2011
posted by pintor
Thanks pintor - maylegoas, Dec 2, 2011
Oh I see you got there first Moe ! - pintor, Dec 2, 2011
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Right......... this is the message that I get from your last sentence, Mayle but it is just how I interpret it others may form a different opinion.

The strength and enthusiasm of youth can often give the elderly a (renewed) purpose in life, giving benefit to both grandparents and grandchildren.

You may be interested to know we have a few expressions on this topic.......

"You can't put an old head on young shoulders"

"You are never too old to learn"

"Teaching Grandma to suck eggs."

updated Dec 7, 2011
edited by pintor
posted by pintor
thanks a lot pintor - maylegoas, Dec 3, 2011
pintor, please what does "teaching Grandma to suck eggs" in Spanish? - maylegoas, Dec 7, 2011
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When it comes to values, (< comma here & no capital here >) it should be evident that argument against the capability of the young people to teach older people is not valid. {3} Therefore young people have the strength and happiness that injects to older people to continue living but rather asking the grandparents on their grandchildren.{4}

{1} You have already referred to "young people". It is not necessary to repeat the reference. Also the word "youngsters" is often used to refer to pre-teens and I do not think those are the youths you intended.
{2} What is a 'digital carrere? Is this a correct spelling and correct reference? Am I giving away my age by this question?
{3} This sentence from "When it comes to values..." up to "...is not valid" is not logical. It is not logical because it is NOT evident that the argument is not valid. If this is a reference to the earlier paragraph you asked to be reviewed, then find a way to refer back to that reference to give more logic to the sentence.
{4} This last sentence does not make any sense. A computer might say it is 'non sequiter' and does not compute. You need to re-write it until it has both a better flow in English and an understandable meaning. Perhaps you could enter it into a reply window in Spanish in the way you wanted to say the ideas and see if you can get some help to put it into English.

updated Dec 2, 2011
edited by Moe
posted by Moe
(3) It should be evident that argument against the capability of there is nothing that young people can teach older people is not valid. - maylegoas, Dec 2, 2011
Moe, I was wrong in a hurry, but I don´t know if this sentence is OK - maylegoas, Dec 2, 2011
Moe: The last sentence in Spanish: Los jovenes tienen la fuerza y la alegría que inyecta a la gente mayor para continuar viviendo, sinó que le pregunten a los abuelitos en relación a sus nietos. - maylegoas, Dec 2, 2011
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¡Hola!, Maylegoas. Has this been edited before by someone else. If this is your own work, I see some significant improvement. Wow! Here are some small suggestions:

Opponents claim that young people lack the experience necessary to train or instruct other people. It might be true that youngstersthey {1} do not have enough “life experience”, but they have a lot of experience in many other fields. To illustrate, Yyoung people, because they were born in a more advanced technological age, are more knowledgeable and prepared to teach older people how to use a cell phone, how to run a program on a computer, or how to use all the features of a digital Carrere {2} among other things. Opponents also maintain that young people do not cultivate good reading habits; therefore, their academic level is not fully developed. Nonetheless, this argument completely ignores the fact that young people have developed different learning strategies that they use to learn. For instance, a lot of young people acquire knowledge working on projects, getting hands on experience, or watching videos on internet. The final argument advanced by opponents is that young people are impulsive and tend to make quick decisions without worrying about the consequence of their acts. What’s more, opponents assent assert that most young people are impatient and do not have values. However, fast decision making is a highly appreciated ability this day these days due to competition and globalization. For example, headhunters recruit young university graduates with this special characteristic. When it comes to values, (

updated Dec 2, 2011
posted by Moe
Thanks Moe - maylegoas, Dec 2, 2011
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Maylegoas:

It might be better just to omit this sentence "When it comes to values, it should be evident that argument against the capability of the young people to teach older people is not valid. I say this because you already made the arguments in favour of this in your fist part. What you are saying here is repetitious. In a debate, it may be seen as unnecessarily redundant and may count against you.

I do not understand this sentence as you have written it in Spanish. I would interpret it to mean

Los jovenes tienen la fuerza y la alegría que inyecta a la gente mayor para continuar viviendo, sinó que le pregunten a los abuelitos en relación a sus nietos. The young have the strength and happiness to inject into older people to continue living, but also to ask the grandparents in relation to their grandchildren.

The last sentence still looks like the same thing you first wrote in English. My problem is that I do not understand what concepts or ideas the sentence is trying to help me to understand. More colloquially, "I don't get it". Can you look this over, ask yourself what you are trying to say and see if you can re-write it in a more understandable form??

updated Dec 7, 2011
posted by Moe
Maylegoas - Have a look at the ideas from Izanoni and Pintor about that last sentence. I think they have understood it much better than I have. - Moe, Dec 2, 2011
Thanks Moe, lamentably that day I didn't have time to follow learn, because I had to leave urgently, but I don't know if we can see this theme - maylegoas, Dec 7, 2011
Thanks Moe, your suggestions help me a lot - maylegoas, Dec 7, 2011
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It looks good other than indentation at the beginning and this sentence: "Nonetheless, this argument completely ignores the fact that young people have developed different learning strategies that they use to learn. " sounds redundant.

updated Dec 2, 2011
edited by xoxo_em_oxox
posted by xoxo_em_oxox
thanks xoxo - maylegoas, Dec 2, 2011