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why do literally all the Spanish-speaking nations of Latin America NEVER pronounce the 's' when it's at the end of a word or in front of a consonant? why, and I mean WHY are they so cruel to all the Spanish learners?

un abrazo, a frustrated Spanish fascinate

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updated Jan 10, 2012
posted by gallez
I know many natives who pronounce the "S" perfectly. =) - NikkiLR, Dec 3, 2011
Then just be glad you're not learning French... - RosaVerde, Dec 4, 2011

12 Answers

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Why don't Americans pronounce the t when it's in the middle of a word like dentist, printer, water, Atlanta, etc? It's just a culturall thing.

I'm from Argentina, and I do pronounce the s at the end of a word.

"Comerse la eses" (this is what we called it) is a sign of being uneducated there.

updated Jan 10, 2012
edited by 00e657d4
posted by 00e657d4
I had to read through your list of words. Actually, I pronounce the first "T" in all of them except "water". There it sounds like a soft "D" :D - NikkiLR, Dec 3, 2011
Great answer,Guillermo! - territurtle, Dec 3, 2011
At first, I thought you were wrong, Guillermo. I said to myself, "I do pronounce the Ts." But that is only if I am focusing on the pronunciation. When speaking normally I find I say dennist, prinner and wadder. L O L. - webdunce, Dec 4, 2011
See, I thought you had confused our accent with some UK accents wherein they use a glottal stop for many Ts or just don't pronounce them. -- e.g., prin-er, den-iss, wa-er. - webdunce, Dec 4, 2011
I met someone from India who actually had two different ways of pronouncing 'internet', (with and w/o middle t) depending on whether he was talking to an American or an Indian. :) - Valerie, Jan 10, 2012
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Querido gallez, I read and reread you question many times before

I felt comfortable enough to answer you , then after deep and

meaningful search all I can say is , " thank god I do not live in a perfect world

where everyone speaks correctly in a precise and grammatically erudite

manner . I want to learn to speak Spanish so that I may converse with

all manner of peoples ,not merely professors at the academy or boring

old farts who teach elocution .

updated Jan 10, 2012
posted by ray76
Rock on Ray!! - lagartijaverde, Dec 4, 2011
do not rock on. there is one Spanish language. the once defined and describe by the Royal Academy - gallez, Dec 4, 2011
" ones defined" G'day gallez , I am not denigrading the language in any way at all , merely ones method , and or reason for learning it , the language is beautiful and well structured , but i find it better to take the middle ground in all things, thanks - ray76, Dec 6, 2011
Hey Birdland , don't let them grind you down is my motto , get out there and give them heeps! Thanks mate. - ray76, Dec 6, 2011
Hallelujah! - pacofinkler, Jan 10, 2012
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I think it's a combination of things. A regional accent, the level in education, and it's probably one of those letters that just get lost when they're speaking fast/at their normal pace.

I'm originally from Boston, so I speak really fast in English (as least, according to everyone not from the East Coast smile ), which means I will glaze over some of the letters in words. For instance what Guillermo said, how we glaze over those T's. In my mind, it sounds like I'm saying the T, but in reality it's probably just a hint of a letter and to a non-native speaker it probably sounds like I skipped it all together.

If you asked them to speak very slowly and enunciate, you would probably hear the S. I think it's just one of those things that will remain frustrating until you get used to it and have more of a feel for the language. If it makes you feel better, I have no clue what anyone's saying in Spanish with or without the S! One day though, one day...

updated Jan 10, 2012
edited by KatHC3
posted by KatHC3
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It is obvious that that is their sole intent. It is a conspiracy.

updated Jan 10, 2012
posted by 0074b507
Jajaja! =D You get my vote. - NikkiLR, Dec 3, 2011
;)) - territurtle, Dec 3, 2011
One of my many vices is to swallow the final S as in Unas y Las - pacofinkler, Jan 10, 2012
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You think they're cruel? How about all of our English idiosyncrasies? There, their, they're. To, two, too. The many words that have multiple meanings. smile I for one, am very glad I learned to speak English first, and Spanish second!

updated Jan 10, 2012
posted by JamieFCV
Make that two! ;) - territurtle, Dec 3, 2011
Me, too. I'm an English teacher and sometimes I find myself apologising to my students. English is SO hard. - Ada-S, Dec 4, 2011
I second that Ada. :) - Valerie, Jan 10, 2012
The lovely thing about English is its simple verb conjugations (excusing the inevitable irregulars) - BelugaBebe, Jan 10, 2012
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They really mostly do pronounce the "s" or at least aspirate it if you listen to audio or review tables of statistics on the research done on this phenomenon. Its just the times they don't pronounce it that sticks out. Here is something I just wrote about this topic:

En el idioma español, se considera la aspiración o la pérdida de la [s] uno de los procesos dialectales más comunes y más conocidos. Este proceso tiene lugar cuando se encuentra la “s” en posición débil, es decir, a fines de sílaba o a fines de palabra. Se puede ver la presencia de este fenómeno en todos los dialectos bajeños aunque el resultado no es siempre lo mismo. La aspiración ocurre cuando la [s] o [z] (fricativo sibilante alveolar sordo o sonoro) se debilita y se convierte en [h] (fricativo aspirado glótico sordo). Por ejemplo: [es-pe-rár] -> [eh-pe-rár], [r?áz-?o] -> [r?áh-?o], [pu?és-ta] -> [pu?éh-ta], [tá-sas] -> [tá-sah]. Muchas veces no se pronuncia el glótico [h] porque es uno de los sonidos más difíciles de percibir, y el resultado es la pérdida de la “s” (Teschner 200). Los ejemplos anteriores se convierten en los siguientes: [es-pe-rár] -> [e-pe-rár], [r?áz-?o] -> [r?á-?o], [pu?és-ta] -> [pu?é-ta], [tá-sas] -> [tá-sa]. El proceso mediante el cual se pierde por completo la “s” y es reemplazada por la consonante siguiente es conocido como “geminación consonántica” y los ejemplos son:
[es-pe-rár] -> [ep-pe-rár], [r?áz-?o] -> [r?á?-?o], [pu?és-ta] -> [pu?ét-ta].

updated Jan 10, 2012
posted by pescador1
thank you so much for that erudite explanation great to see you are from the school of advanced " phonetic phabricators with an honors degree in farnarkling , well done , you are now the 'Prince of dags". - ray76, Dec 4, 2011
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It's not just Latin America, many españoles say their words like that too, especially at the end of "nosotros" conjugated verbs.

updated Dec 4, 2011
posted by rnash
So it is a more widespread conspiracy that we originally thought. - 0074b507, Nov 30, 2011
Now I'm really laughing out loud! :D - territurtle, Dec 3, 2011
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Gonna hafta aks da man boutit, aight?

updated Jan 10, 2012
posted by lorenzo9
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I'm from Argentina, and I do pronounce the s at the end of a word. "Comerse la eses" (this is what we called it) is a sign of being uneducated there.

In the UK the same linguistic prejudice exists, it's recognised as "dropped aitches"=leaving out the "h".

Example: 'orses for courses.

Dickens used it a lot to indicate class differences. Linguistically speaking, it's interesting how such prejudices "translate" across languages.

updated Dec 6, 2011
posted by lagartijaverde
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This video of a native Englishman (a soccer player) talking about soccer really helped me be more understanding of Spanish accents (I can barely understand this fellow):

Video.

updated Dec 4, 2011
edited by webdunce
posted by webdunce
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In my experience with the Spanish from México, I usually hear people pronounce the final "s" in words, but I have found a wide variation of word pronunciation in general, such as some emphasizing vowels and others dropping them. Spanish speaking people have regional dialects just as do English speaking people.

updated Jan 10, 2012
posted by Robertin
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I blame the andaluz.....thank heavens for flamenco!!

updated Dec 4, 2011
posted by lagartijaverde