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Hay que -vs- Uno debe

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At first, I would have thought that "One should clean the bathroom" should be:

Uno debe limpiar el baño.

But then I learned about "hay que":

Hay que limpiar el baño.

Now I just learned that you can, indeed, use "Uno debe..." or "Uno no debe..." to express that "One should..." or "One shouldn't...".

Which is more common?

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updated Nov 30, 2011
posted by Tosh
Great question! I want to know too. :) My 2cents is that "one should" seems more formal. - EmiW, Nov 28, 2011

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"Hay que" is more like "somebody has to..."

Rosseta stone say "Uno debe..... así", because is talking about how things have to be done. Not like somebody has to clean the bathroom because is dirty. In those cases, when somebody has to do something because of some reason, you usually say "hay que..".

If you use "uno debe" in those cases, it's understable, but nobody speaks that way, except perhaps this guy

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updated Nov 30, 2011
posted by ale_rd
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Just out of curiousity, where did you hear that 'uno debe' is an acceptable phrase? I've never actually heard it, but that doesn't mean it's not right. I would personally have guessed that 'se debe' would be a better way to say it.

updated Nov 30, 2011
posted by emily8
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In my experiences, "hay que" is way, way, way more common. I have never heard anyone say "uno debe" although of course I am aware of its existence. That said, I haven't been in barely any "formal" situations, plus I am gifted at forgetting things (but also at remembering things I didn't even know I heard, haha).

There's my confusing opinion : D

updated Nov 30, 2011
posted by unMica
It would be se debe like se usa o se dice :) Never uno debe whiich sounds very weird - FELIZ77, Nov 28, 2011
I would be very surprised if uno debe is acceptable in Spanish it is said /One says - se dice or one must se debe :) - FELIZ77, Nov 28, 2011
Look at my next post, Feliz. Surprise!! :) - Tosh, Nov 28, 2011
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When my niece was 2, she was doing something she knew she wasn't supposed to do while some guests were visiting. My sister said, "One would think one would learn." and my niece stopped. My sister's friends said that it was terrible for her to talk that way to someone so young, and even worse that she understood.

smile

updated Nov 30, 2011
posted by lorenzo9
jejej, I mean , I know the structure, so not used...is probably too much to say, but it is very unusual, lets put it this way, jejeje, nice example, loren - 00494d19, Nov 29, 2011
:D Frankly, I'm on the side of your sister! - territurtle, Nov 30, 2011
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dudas

The use of "uno" is correct, but not common in spoken Spanish (at least in Ecuador). Kind of like the use of "one" in English (at least in the US).

updated Nov 30, 2011
edited by lorenzo9
posted by lorenzo9
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It's interesting to me that such a "weird structure" and something that is "not used" gets 2.2 million hits on Google search ("uno debe").

updated Nov 30, 2011
posted by Jack-OBrien
"teh" gets 143,000,000 hits: obviously it must be correct ;) - lorenzo9, Nov 29, 2011
lol,que malo lorenzo, in any case, uno debe, is technically correct, and yes, jack, weird as can be...nobody talks like that - 00494d19, Nov 29, 2011
I guess that's my concern Heidita, I've stumbled across weird things that are 'correct', I just don't want to use if "nobody talks like that". thanks. - Jack-OBrien, Nov 29, 2011
Lorenzo9, my point was not that it makes it correct, but that it is commonly used (the exact "weird" structure). - Jack-OBrien, Nov 29, 2011
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"One needs to clean the bathroom".

Well, technically it is correct, but hey, who says that? wink

I am often surprised at what this method teaches. Very weird structures.

the most common by far is the se option:

se debe limpiar al suelo así, se debe cocinar así...

Also hay que....

updated Nov 30, 2011
posted by 00494d19
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The use of "uno" is correct, but not common in spoken Spanish (at least in Ecuador). Kind of like the use of "one" in English (at least in the US).

That's kinda what I thought.

I would NEVER say something like "One needs to clean the bathroom"... I would say, "Hey, get in there and clean the bathroom!!".

cool smirk

updated Nov 30, 2011
posted by Tosh
Yes, one would never say things like "one would", would one? - pesta, Nov 29, 2011
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debe limpiar ... you should clean

hay que limpiar ... you should clean

But you're in trouble if they say:

tiene que limpiar ... you MUST clean

Creo

updated Nov 30, 2011
posted by MiamiDave
Hay y Hace are used for everything - MiamiDave, Nov 28, 2011
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Just out of curiousity, where did you hear that 'uno debe' is an acceptable phrase?

Rosetta Stone:

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updated Nov 30, 2011
edited by Tosh
posted by Tosh
My guess is they're doing that at the lower levels so as to not confuse you with that use of the reflexive? - ninjacowgirl, Nov 28, 2011
It's broke. I clicked on the little green speaker icons, but nothing happened - webdunce, Nov 29, 2011
@webdunce - jeje - jpg files are not yet that advanced! :) - pesta, Nov 29, 2011