Ser Vs. Estar Outcasts?

Question

Is there anything in the Spanish language which don't fit into the acronym place and doctor? Place Location Action Condition/Health Emotion

Date Occupation Characteristic Time Origin Relationship

Answer 1

I think these are the acronyms being referred to (from the reference article ser and estar):

Ser

Description
Occupation
Characeristic
Time
Origin
Relationship

Estar

Position
Location
Action
Condition
Emotion

If you find acronyms such as these helpful, you might also try having a look a the "CID (Classify, Identify and Define)" acronym proposed by our learned grammar expert, Lazarus, which can be found in the following reference article: Ser y Estar

Oh Izanoni, how brilliant , I had never heard of place and Dr. - annierats, Oct 31, 2011

At least now I understand the question! - annierats, Oct 31, 2011

Sorry for the misunderstanding (watch the ser vs. estar 1.11 if you still don't get it). - PureWater, Oct 31, 2011

Answer 2

Welcome to the forum, Pure.

You'll have to be a bit clearer in your question.

Do you mean that the acronyms "Place" and "Doctor" are used for "ser" and "estar" purposes?

Yes - PureWater, Oct 31, 2011

Answer 3

Now that Izanoni has explained the question one thing springs to mind: Marriage. I've heard both Soy casada and estoy casada

In cases such as these, the CID acronym can be fairly useful. I generally tend to look at it as the difference between using an adjective to classify/identify/define a person (ser) or using the same adjective to describe a person's status or standing in life (estar) in regards to this adjective.

In the book Spanish Verbs: ser and estar (by Juan and Susan Serrano), this difference, in fact, is broken down to a question of "what" vs "how." In such cases, for example, estar can often be thought of as how someone or something is as a result of a process or action; meanwhile, ser instead answers the question of what kind of person someone is (classification) or what the defining characteristic is of a person or object.

What is that woman/what kind of woman is she? (Defining characteristic)

ES (una mujer) casada ? She is married (She is a married woman).

How does she stand right now in terms of marital status (state of being)

ESTÁ casada ? She is married (Her status is married)

New to me and **really** helpful!! Billion good wishes and thanks, Izanoni! - territurtle, Oct 31, 2011

Never heard of CID either. I wish I had not brought up marriage..Clearly difficult! - annierats, Oct 31, 2011

Answer 4

Now that Izanoni has explained the question one thing springs to mind: Marriage. I've heard both Soy casada and estoy casada used and I'm sure there are very many more examples. I think you can say Estas muerto, for very tired ( knackered) but eres muerto is probably totally terminal. I look forward to other answers, interesting question.

I'm just making a start.. - annierats, Oct 31, 2011

Answer 5

An acronym is used when the abbreviations have become so popular that people use that instead of the full phrase, like VOIP (voice over internet phone).

An acrostic is when you try to make a memorable word that reflects several facts to remember things with, like D.O.C.T.O.R., etc. above.

Answer 6

I have never heard of any acronyms used for that.

Neither have I. - --Mariana--, Oct 31, 2011

Nor had I but Izanoni has revealed all. - annierats, Oct 31, 2011

Answer 7

whats a acronym?

Oh, boy. - --Mariana--, Oct 31, 2011

A shortened form a word, such as USA or EU, Hecho but I don't understadn the question either. - annierats, Oct 31, 2011