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Use of Personal Pronouns

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I know that those who edit what is written here in SD frown upon using any personal pronouns.
Here is what is posted in the "Reference" Section: ¡Cuidado! If in doubt, don't use it! While personal pronouns can be used to replace a person's name, advanced and native speakers of Spanish rarely use them since the verb ending tells you who the subject is.

However, this puzzles me, since isn't it grammatically correct to use them? I only ask, because the series of books I'm using to learn and practice Spanish ALWAYS wants us to use the appropriate pronoun. So, then when I go to post here, I forget that I'm not suppose to use them!

Sure, we all know that most of us do not talk in absolutely grammatical correctness all the time. But since this is an educational website shouldn't we learn the correct way?

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updated Oct 27, 2011
posted by Gillygaloo

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As I understand it you only use subject pronouns if the subject is ambiguous (which only usually affects 3rd person singular) or for emphasis.

No, billy , this is not correct.

Gilly, the use of personal pronouns is NOT incorrect grammar. You can use them, however, you will sound like a foreigner. they are not used either in written or spoken language.

The pronouns are not used to avoid ambiguity, but to stress the fact that you , unline OTHERS, are the one to do this or that.

Please also read this on the topic and read Lazarus's answerwink

updated May 26, 2012
posted by 00494d19
thank you Heidita. I've just read Lazarus's answers = enlightening! I honestly didn't realise this. - billygoat, Oct 26, 2011
Thanks Heidita... I tried tofind a good post on this subject, but must not have searched under the right words. - Gillygaloo, Oct 26, 2011
Wow, Heidita. That thread is really fun. Especially when Lazarus gets a little excited! - MLucie, Oct 26, 2011
jje, yess, it is great, very funny - 00494d19, Oct 26, 2011
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But since this is an educational website shouldn't we learn the correct way?

Hi, Gillidaloo:

Maybe you could ask this to the authors of your the series of books you are using to learn. Using personal pronouns in Spanish when they are not needed is a mistake. Not grammatical, but a more important one, since you won't express what you think you are expressing if you do it. Every personal pronoun that is used in Spanish has its own meaning and sense.

updated Oct 26, 2011
posted by cogumela
You know cogumela, I just might do that! After reading all the posts, I would like to hear the author's reason for using the pronouns. - Gillygaloo, Oct 26, 2011
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I think the books only have you using the pronouns (yo, tú, él, ella, usted, nosotros, ellos, ellas) to get you used to what the pronouns are, as well as to help you conjugate your verbs correctly. Like learning any language, you learn vocablulary first, then you refine your skills by learning proper grammar. Just my opinion smile

updated Oct 26, 2011
posted by harryw73002
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I've never been told not to use personal pronouns, by anyone, and I lived in Spain and talk to clients all over Latin America every day who use them. They are always used in written correspondence/literature so I'm thinking this may be advice for conversational speaking (?). I would say it is best practice to use them for clarification purposes, at least until you are an advanced, preferably fluent speaker.


Sorry all! Please disregard the above response... I obviously did not read the initial post very well; I misunderstood personal pronouns for direct/indirect object pronouns, thus the puzzling response.

That said, in my experience, personal pronouns are only used when the speaker is attempting to emphasize or clarify what they think is most important that the recipient understand. Think of times when you would or are tempted to type IN ALL CAPS to ensure you get your point across. You want the recipient to clearly understand who is affected by the action. In conversational English, it is the equivalent of putting unnatural emphasis on a word by speaking it very slowly and drawing out the syllable. Por ejemplo/For example:

(1) "Tuuuuu no tengas que limpiar..." "Yooooouuuu don't have to clean..."

(2) "Te estoy pidiendo porque, en los ojos de los clientes, YO ESTOY responsable por todos nuestros errores." "I am asking you because, in the client's eyes, I AM responsible for all our mistakes."

updated Oct 27, 2011
edited by TexanChick
posted by TexanChick
Very insteresting! I wonder if it is a regional thing then? - Gillygaloo, Oct 26, 2011
Sadly, it was just an ADD moment... I wish someone would invent a filter-like product for my fingers equivalent to duck tape for the mouth!!! - TexanChick, Oct 27, 2011
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Not using the pronouns is not grammatically incorrect. Just like the reference pages says, advanced and native speakers of Spanish rarely use them since the verb ending tells you who the subject is.

Most text books are wrong, in my opinion, of pushing the use of personal pronouns the way they do, because you are never going to hear a native speaker talk that way.

It is not 'more' correct to say

Yo quiero hablar contigo

than to say

Quiero hablar contigo.

Yo quiero hablar contigo (I, unlike others, I want to talk with you).

Quiero hablar contigo (I want to talk with you). Sounds so much better, and is grammatically correct.

updated Oct 26, 2011
posted by Jack-OBrien
Actually, jack said here more or less what I said, good answer jack;) - 00494d19, Oct 26, 2011
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The absolutely correct way to write or speak is without the pronoun. That would be redundant. If you add the pronoun, you are adding more feeling to the sentence. ¿Tu quieres que me vaya? = Do you want me to leave?. By adding the Tu is like pleading, being more stressful about the situation. There is a lot more sentiment that is unnecessary unless you are actually been dramatic with tears in your eyes and lips trembling. In other words, Do NOT use them. The books are just trying to stress the point that that is the pronoun to that sentence. In Spanish this is call. :Sujeto tàcito"

updated Oct 26, 2011
posted by farallon7
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Wow, this IS confusing! LOL If it is NOT correct grammar to USE the personal pronouns, then I agree with Jack, the books to learn Spanish ARE wrong! Since I have never taken a actual physical class in learning Spanish, I wonder what the instructors tell their students? Can someone fill me in on what their instructors make them do in classthem do in class

In my experience, they said exactly the same as the people are saying here! As I understand it you only use subject pronouns if the subject is ambiguous (which only usually affects 3rd person singular) or for emphasis.

updated Oct 26, 2011
posted by billygoat
Gilly, please see Heidita's answer and completely disregard mine! Some of my previous 'teachers' have mislead me!! Good thread :) - billygoat, Oct 26, 2011
Thanks, billy. Yes, if teachers mislead us, what are we to think?! ;-) - Gillygaloo, Oct 26, 2011
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Wow, this IS confusing! LOL If it is NOT correct grammar to USE the personal pronouns, then I agree with Jack, the books to learn Spanish ARE wrong!
Since I have never taken a actual physical class in learning Spanish, I wonder what the instructors tell their students? Can someone fill me in on what their instructors make them do in class?

updated Oct 26, 2011
posted by Gillygaloo
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I think that technically you are supposed to use them and it takes a while to get used them not being there. For example, when I say: tenemos, what I really mean is nosotros tenemos. I also rarely use yo. It's better to use them, especially for ud. el, ellla, uds, ellos, and ellas forms because they can be confused with each other. It's better it you use them while you are learning.

updated Oct 26, 2011
edited by i3toswim
posted by i3toswim