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Why so snappy?

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¡Hola a todos! Gracias por leyendo leer este hilo.

Okay, I know that SpanishDict members all have big hearts, but sometimes I feel like we have to take into consideration that not everybody in a native English or Spanish speaker. I was searching through some recent threads and was shocked to see the comments on some posts (all usernames removed...)

You should worry about your English first. It's atrocious [1 day ago]

The post this was left on was created by someone whose language information was not filled out. Yes, yes, I know, I know...they should have it filled out. However, that's not the point of this thread (that is the point of this thread). We do not know what this person's native language is. We do not know whether or not he is learning English. He could be learning Spanish and English like some of our members on SD.

Even if this person was a native English speaker, there are more polite ways to ask something like this.

Please remember to use proper spelling, capitalization and punctuation in your posts

Welcome to the forum ------, please remember to use proper capitalization and punctuation in all posts.

Please remember that correct spelling and capitalization are mandatory on this site, welcome to the forumsmile

Para futura referencia y teniendo en cuenta que este es un foro de aprendizaje, trata de cuidar puntuación y ortografía lo mejor que puedas

Again, I know that not everybody does this. However, I've seen sarcastic comments like one in blue above more than a few times since I've been an SD member.

This is a Spanish-English learning website. We must take into account that everyone here is learning. It is important to correct someone when they are wrong. It is just as important to do it a respectful way. It would be devastating to the SD community if someone was turned away because of a sarcastic comment like the above in blue.

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updated Nov 7, 2011
edited by SonrisaDelSol
posted by SonrisaDelSol
not everybody is - Eddy, Sep 23, 2011
I wholeheartedly agree. - Eddy, Sep 23, 2011
Gracias, Eddy! - SonrisaDelSol, Sep 23, 2011
Great post, Sonrisa:) And thank you for your kind corrections of my English:) - migelis, Sep 23, 2011
Thanks, Migelis. I'm always happy to help! - SonrisaDelSol, Sep 23, 2011

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I totally agree with you and you've made (in my opinion) a good point here. I will say though that I have learned as life goes on that you'll never filter out "the snappys" in any aspect of life unfortunately. Do also remember though that text carries no voice tone or emotion and sometimes something said with tongue in cheek can look cutting or scathing (forever the peacekeeper) I'll probably get a snappy comment now for the incorrect usage of paragraphs in this answer but at least I'll get a point or five for answering the question (the sacrifices we make) LOL

updated Sep 26, 2011
edited by Bigandra
posted by Bigandra
Just noticed my paragraph spacings have been removed on posting :-) - Bigandra, Sep 23, 2011
Just your usage of "useage"... kidding! ;-) = great comment just the same! - cristalino, Sep 23, 2011
Class!! Well spotted and pointed out. In my defence................ it was a typo. I knew that lol :-) - Bigandra, Sep 23, 2011
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Oh no! I'm so sorry. I admit, it was me who left the above comment on someone's post. I looked for it so I could delete it, but I don't remember which one it was, and couldn't find it.

I'm sorry for the drama. I really was trying to give a playful poke in the ribs. I don't remember exactly, but I think I was talking mostly about punctuation and capitalisation, then got rushed at work, hit the "post" button, and forgot all about it. It didn't even cross my mind that I was being snappy or rude.

So, everyone throw your stones at me. It's my fault and I apologise.

updated Sep 25, 2011
posted by MrSillyInc
It's no problem at all, Mr. Silly, honestly. - SonrisaDelSol, Sep 23, 2011
:) - 0066c384, Sep 23, 2011
At least you were smiling when you said it..........;¬) - LaloLoco, Sep 23, 2011
and my point about text having no tone or emotion is now clear. 10/10 to you for having the decency to admit that it was your post but that it wasn't meant that way. Well done - Bigandra, Sep 23, 2011
You're a stand up guy. - GaryT, Sep 23, 2011
Well, I try. Like so many people have said before, most people on here seem pretty cool, so I don't want to offend anyone. I'm here everyday, and I don't want to be looked at funny. If you know what I mean. - MrSillyInc, Sep 23, 2011
Funny? How funny?? So sorry, MrSilly, couldn't help it. ;-)) I was there immediately after your post, and guess I must be pretty insensitive, because I did **not** take offense at your words -- nor would I had they been directed at me! - territurtle, Sep 24, 2011
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I must admit to the occasional sigh when I see the standard of posts from people who put their level of English as native. However I think many of them are youngsters who spend a lot of time on social media where it is acceptable, to some people, to use poor grammar and ignore correct spellings.

Also, writing and speaking a language are very different. There are many native speakers who do not know how to punctuate correctly, or apply the rules of grammar. I for one was never taught grammar at school, if I get anything right it is because I have always read a lot and have developed a feel for how things should look and sound.

Rudeness when correcting is quite unnecessary, whoever you are speaking to.

updated Nov 7, 2011
posted by MaryMcc
Perfectly said, Wilbur. - SonrisaDelSol, Sep 23, 2011
Si, de acuerdo :) - nonombre, Sep 23, 2011
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Nice post Sonrisa smile

l totally agree with you, l still remember when l first joined here, l couldn't write one sentence without making at least one mistake red face however, l often received corrections by very very nice people, and l was even amazed how much l was corrected on the English and how nicely those people took the time to correct me, although they don't know whether l needed those corrections or not, and that was one of the most important reasons why l stayed here.

BUT l did receive some of those annoying comments, saying how bad my English is, and you have no idea how frustrating and disappointing those comments were, l often got really mad at myself because l didn't know a certain rule & received a very embarrassing comment on that rule.

We are all learning here, no matter what language(s) are you learning, it'd always be nice to correct people kindly, without making them feel stupid, or bad about themselves, and even if the one using bad grammar is a native of the language, correcting him once or twice nicely is necessary, not all people know how to use correct grammar, and many are still learning how to spell words wink

updated Nov 6, 2011
posted by 00b6f46c
:) It's especially nice to hear this from someone who is learning Spanish, along with English. Thanks so much, Lovely! - SonrisaDelSol, Sep 23, 2011
Your English is just like you are.....lovely :-) - Echoline, Sep 23, 2011
Everybody can use corrections. Your English (lovely) is better than some natives' at this point! :) - pesta, Sep 23, 2011
Eloquently stated, Lovely. - territurtle, Sep 24, 2011
You are an excellent example, Lovely. If you had left the site feeling hurt or discouraged, it would have been a huge loss for all of us! - MLucie, Nov 6, 2011
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While I don't condone the straighout "Your English is atrocious" attitude I would like to point out that the person this was written to (I sort of recall the post) was a forer who apparently has nothing better to do than play around on the site. She had been warned a couple of times by me. As rude as it was I was tempted myself and though I don't recall my comment it was not my usual "Please remember to use proper capitalization and punctuation in all posts."

updated Nov 7, 2011
posted by Yeser007
Now you A R E the man, Gary!! You and I knew the poster and her shenanigans well. That's the truth. If you think LoloLoco's comment was terse, you should read the verbal tongue lashing I gave her for **her** comments to Gary!! - territurtle, Sep 24, 2011
This girl was "trolling" and had been all night. Gary had shown the patience of a saint. Then she abused H I M, far more than LoloLoco, I assure you!! I'd much rather Gary stay here than her! I just didn't have the nerve to say so till you posted. - territurtle, Sep 24, 2011
Well apparently not Terri, see my rebuttle to this (my own )post. - Yeser007, Sep 24, 2011
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Good points, Sonrisa.

Courtesy goes a long way here. I've noticed some responses appear discourteous, but are written by someone who does not have a good command of the language. It has happened to me. In a chat session today, a native Spanish speaker corrected me with a phrase that would be considered a put-down in English. He did not know that. He was trying to help me, as I was trying to help him.

The comment highlighted above is clearly rude, but I always like to give the benefit of the doubt to members on the forum. Most of us are very responsible, courteous people trying to help each other. Terse comments, in my experience, are more a result of trying to use an unfamiliar language.

I appreciate your post.

updated Sep 24, 2011
posted by 0066c384
Thanks, Dogwood!! - SonrisaDelSol, Sep 23, 2011
A lot of experience and understanding behind your words, Dogwood. Thanks for the reminders! - territurtle, Sep 24, 2011
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And like my mum always said Sonrisa...

If you can't say something nice.......(don't say anything!)


And I would add here, "nice.....or positive"....

updated Sep 24, 2011
posted by nonombre
So true, Annie! - SonrisaDelSol, Sep 23, 2011
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Estoy completamente de acuerdo! Sin embargo, te sugiero cambiar "gracias por leer" por "gracias por leyendo." Pero no pasa nada, no me molestó ver ese errorcito, ando cometiendo errores en ambos idiomas diariamente y por eso estamos aquí en el sitio: para ayudarnos uno al otro!

Muy bien dicho todo Sonrisa : )

updated Sep 24, 2011
posted by unMica
Gracias, Mica!! (especialmente por la correción) - SonrisaDelSol, Sep 23, 2011
por nada! - unMica, Sep 23, 2011
Interesting. I would think "Gracias por leer." ( (or "haber leido") better - samdie, Sep 23, 2011
This is the level of Spanish I long to be at. Envious but I'll get there :-) - Bigandra, Sep 23, 2011
¡Gracias por usar español en el sitio, Mica! Por eso estamos aquí, como tú dices. - tpender, Sep 23, 2011
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Good on you ! I agree with you young person , there are quite a few members

here on SD who only speak first class , albeit fluent " Geriatric " therefore a

little understanding here please would be welcome to alleviate the problematic

or was that phlegmatic incidence of a superfluency of the clapboards , and the

overindulgence of insensitive syntax. Thank you for glistening to me , now

leave me alone whilst I conjugate my constitution and chomp on Albran. wink

updated Nov 7, 2011
posted by ray76
Ray, I always knew they didn't speak English in Australia! - Echoline, Sep 23, 2011
Echoline my heart throb , it could be worse we could speak Chicgoese. Welcome back guapita! - ray76, Sep 23, 2011
Go on, Ray, hit me with the clapboards!! Heaven knows I have it coming more than anyone else, and I promise to take it like a W I M P (that's a "weakly interacting massive particle" to the rest of you). ;)) - territurtle, Sep 24, 2011
Terri I know you are not a "Snapping Turtle " you are a Turtle of terrestrial and tantalising turpitude , therefore are forgiven for all or any participating past particles or even present ones. - ray76, Nov 6, 2011
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agreed, no one want to be a part of a group of jerks. Ive always felt that being rude was a sign of your own insecurities but its never to late to just be nice. grin

updated Sep 24, 2011
posted by Daniel7666
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It's great to get feedback from people willing to correct...I'd especially like to thank gintar, Heidita and IndianaChris for helping me get it right! Thank you!

updated Nov 6, 2011
posted by SusanaEspana
I'll second that motion, Susana!! - territurtle, Sep 24, 2011
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updated Sep 24, 2011
posted by LaloLoco
:) - SonrisaDelSol, Sep 23, 2011
Un gato negro(any practice is good practice. Damned if I know what the Spanish for "The Fonz" is but I was well into "Happy Days" as a kid so I have to vote this post up :-) - Bigandra, Sep 23, 2011
Oh, dear LaloLoco, you've given me barrels and barrels of laughter!! Now read some of the comments I added to your posts today and see if we're still on speaking terms! ;-)) - territurtle, Sep 24, 2011
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I belong to this group of people who are here not only to learn Spanish but also are brushing up their forgotten English and learning new vocabulary, mostly advanced and correct use of prepositions. People here have offered very kindly to correct my posts. No one was rude to me, and to be honest, I didn't notice anyone being rude.

Samdie is right, when we learn a foreign language we don't learn informal vocabulary or slang language. Using this kind of expressions, is a possible way for someone to be rude, without even noticing.

updated Sep 24, 2011
edited by ianta
posted by ianta
I once used a slang but polite word to say goodbye to a German while I was in the company of a friend from India who took great umbrage at my use of the word which it turned out was a dirty word in Hindi. - LaloLoco, Sep 23, 2011
I hope he wasn't offended - ianta, Sep 24, 2011
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Annie said:

If you can't say something nice.......(don't say anything!)

Well, you would be surprised, some people think this sentence is rude wink

updated Sep 24, 2011
posted by 00494d19
Hola possumita :) ¿Cómo estas? - nonombre, Sep 23, 2011
Y cuidaré de no decir ese dicho aquí en Spanishdict :) - nonombre, Sep 23, 2011
no annie, please do, I do not share that person¡s opinion at all, I think it is a nice sentence and I agree - 00494d19, Sep 23, 2011
I do agree though "rudeness" to a certain extent is in the eye of the beholder :( - nonombre, Sep 23, 2011
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Sonrisa,
Thanks for the post and I do feel that with such a diverse population on this site that we need to be conscious of "how" we say things but in the same respect know that people are from all over the world and have different ways of expressing themselves. I definitely agree that the correction should be a gentle one but what if that was "gentle" for that person? I'm just throwing my $.01 into the pot. Take it with a grain of salt my friend. wink
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updated Sep 24, 2011
posted by Jason7R
I appreciate your input, Jason, thanks! - SonrisaDelSol, Sep 23, 2011
You rock, Jason!! - territurtle, Sep 24, 2011