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Sobre todo para tener

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Sobre todo para tener

Does this mean "a pesar de" or something else.

Eres una chica muy buena sobre todo para tener tatuajes.

I feel like it's either "You're a good girl even though / despite having tattoos."

or it might say "You're a good girl besides having tattoos" like, not to mention all those cool tattoos.

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updated Apr 14, 2012
posted by jeezzle

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I feel like it's either "You're a good girl even though / despite having tattoos."

The sentence can be understood in two ways, and that suggestion of yours above is one of them. The other one would be "in order to... have tattoos". Cogumela shows how the punctuation helps to resolve the ambiguity.

The sentence is not really grammatically correct. "eres una chica muy buena sobre todo POR tener tatuajes" is.

The sentence is perfect (except for the punctuation), because it is not explanatory, but either expressing finality, or adversative:

para.

5. prep. U. como partícula adversativa, significando el estado en que se halla actualmente algo, contraponiéndolo a lo que se quiere aplicar o se dice de ello.

Real Academia Española © Todos los derechos reservados

"Despite" and "even though" are adversative prepositions.

updated Sep 13, 2011
edited by lazarus1907
posted by lazarus1907
I wrote something bellow that might explain my comment a bit better - geouk, Sep 13, 2011
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It is more like "especially" or "above all".

You're a good girl, especially for having tattoos.

updated Sep 13, 2011
posted by gintar77
perfecto, no es que sea necesario decirlo, jeje - 00494d19, Sep 13, 2011
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Hi Jeezz!

The sentence is not wrong, but it lacks punctuation, and this is crucial.

Eres una chica muy buena, sobre todo para tener tatuajes.

You are a very nice girl, especially **suited to* tatoos.

Eres una chica muy buena. Sobre todo, para tener tatuajes... (joking)

Even having tatoos... you are lovely after all.

updated Sep 13, 2011
edited by cogumela
posted by cogumela
Hey Cogu! Here I think 'suited to' is preferable to 'apt for'. It's an odd sentence, because I can't imagine what sort of person is more suited to tattoos than any other. Maybe certain skin colours? - galsally, Sep 13, 2011
Thanks, Sally. It is, really odd. That's why I feel it's more likely the second option. - cogumela, Sep 13, 2011
Hmm I have a doubt. "Suited to tatoos..." Could I say "suited to have" tatoos? or "suited to having tatoos" ? - cogumela, Sep 13, 2011
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hI geo, not really por and para is different here.

Eres buena para tener tatuajes: you, your skin, is good for tatoos.

Eres buena por...you are good because you have tatoos.

That would be very weird, why is anybody good because they have tatoos? wink

updated Sep 13, 2011
posted by 00494d19
Hi Heidita, I think the sentence is very odd, why would anybody be "bueno para tener tatuajes"? no tiene mucho sentido no? :) - geouk, Sep 13, 2011
To those who like tattoos, they could be seen as being a better-looking person for having them? - galsally, Sep 13, 2011
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As my answer above seems to be a bit controversial I'll explain it a but further.

OK, the sentence is technically correct from a strictly grammatical point of view.

But, from a communicational point is not, it is confusing and could be interpreted wrong, languages above all are about expresing an idea or whatever effectively.

A sentence like: "Este coche es muy bueno, sobre todo para freir huevos" is also grammatically correct but it doesn't make any sense. One can argue, "well, but the car comes with a cooker", then the previous sentence should be rephrased.

So, I insist... Eres una chica muy buena sobre todo para tener tatuajes. Doesn't make sense, therefore is incorrect.

I'll rephrase it:

Eres una chica con una piel muy buena, sobre todo para tener tatuajes. This makes sense.

updated Sep 22, 2011
posted by geouk
Sorry...a "bit" further - geouk, Sep 13, 2011
Thank you for your clarification :) - cogumela, Sep 22, 2011
My pleasure! - geouk, Sep 22, 2011
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The sentence is not really grammatically correct. "eres una chica muy buena sobre todo POR tener tatuajes" is.

That'd be "especially because of having tattoos" or "for having tattoos". Here "por" means "because" e.g. "no pude ir al parque por la lluvia"..."I couldn't go to the park because of the rain"

Not to confuse por and para

Any doubts, ask away!

updated Sep 13, 2011
posted by geouk
Hmmmm.... not grammatically correct? Why not? - cogumela, Sep 13, 2011
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