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confusion with object pronouns

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Carmela siempre se porta como si nada le preocupara.

Carmela always acts as though nothing bothered her.

I am confused. I believe preocupar above is a transitive verb. So, what is the direct object?

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updated Sep 12, 2011
posted by billygoat
Preocupará or preocupa. - SpanishPal, Sep 12, 2011
I'm pretty sure that the past subjunctive is okay here SpanishPal? - rabbitwho, Sep 12, 2011
preocupara/preocupase works perfect here. - pescador1, Sep 12, 2011
I cut and paste from another learning website. I did wonder that myself! - billygoat, Sep 12, 2011
ah that explains that point, imperfect subjunctive preocupar lol ;) - billygoat, Sep 12, 2011
You're right Billy......The phrase "como si" needs the past subjunctive. - --Mariana--, Sep 12, 2011

4 Answers

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"Preocupar" belongs to a group of verbs called "affeción psíquica", where something or someone causes some emotional or psychological effect on people. As a general guideline, the indirect "le/s" is often used if the effect is not intentional, and the direct "lo/la/los/las" when it is (for this, you need a sentient grammatical subject), but there are regional preferences towards one usage over the other with different verbs.

In this case, "nothing bothers her", and since "nothing" is not intentionally bothering her, "le/s" is more likely to be used here. However, the use of "le/s" is by far the most common one for most speakers, whether it is intentional or not. With other verbs, the preference can be the opposite. "Nada la preocupa" is definitely correct, but many native speakers are likely to find it somewhat weird, if not wrong.

The phrase "como si" is used for hypothetical scenarios that can't be declared as something you think it is true, so it only takes subjunctive.

updated Sep 13, 2011
edited by lazarus1907
posted by lazarus1907
Ah just like 'favorecer', I should have remembered that. But, Laz, why is the imperfect subjunctive used here, wouldn't the present subjunctive be more appropriate? - SpanishPal, Sep 12, 2011
Fantastic! That clears it up for me. I really wish I could just 'accept' things as they are. But when I see something I don't understand, it bugs me and detracts from my learning. I just can't seem to move on until I have understood. That's something - billygoat, Sep 12, 2011
else I need to work on too lol. I will never progress unitl I learn to just accept things! - billygoat, Sep 12, 2011
thank you so much Lazarus! - billygoat, Sep 12, 2011
Wooo! What a great answer. - rabbitwho, Sep 12, 2011
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Ah just like 'favorecer', I should have remembered that. But, Laz, why is the imperfect subjunctive used here, wouldn't the present subjunctive be more appropriate?

On the contrary: present subjunctive (like the indicative one) mentions things that could become true, without declaring them; thus, it may refer to present of future real events. Imperfect subjunctive conjures mental scenarios (like indicative), without declaring them, i.e. hypothetical events that probably never existed or will never exist.

updated Sep 12, 2011
posted by lazarus1907
im so glad I posted this question now. Thats about 5 different things I've learnt from it! Thanks again! - billygoat, Sep 12, 2011
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Hola mate,

I believe it's an acceptable case of 'Leísmo'.

Edit:

The other possible explanation is that the verb 'preocupar' can act as one of gustar's gangsters.

updated Sep 12, 2011
edited by SpanishPal
posted by SpanishPal
cheers mate, i must read around that! - billygoat, Sep 12, 2011
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I give up. Let's all take up Russian. ?????. ??? ????? ???????. ??? ?? ????

updated Sep 12, 2011
edited by rabbitwho
posted by rabbitwho
her = direct object or indirect? If direct then why 'le' and not 'la'? - billygoat, Sep 12, 2011
Oh wait.. you're right.. "No te preocupes por nada" nada would be the indirect object.. so.. hmm - rabbitwho, Sep 12, 2011
lol gracias conejita :) I know you Irish like fiddling ;) (ie playing the fiddle, not ..........) oh you know what I mean lol - billygoat, Sep 12, 2011
preocupa = it worries (not she worries) this is the verb, so whats the direct object? or are you still fiddling? ;-) - billygoat, Sep 12, 2011
oh you're right. Darn it! I really thought I had it that time! - rabbitwho, Sep 12, 2011
grrrrrrrrrrr no more carrots for you! - billygoat, Sep 12, 2011