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Is it important to learn Spanish grammar?

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is Is it inportent important to learn grammer grammar?


Is it important to learn grammar?


Edit from Sonrisa: Since you are learning English, let me tell you about your mistakes.

"Inportent" - should be spelled important

"grammer" - should be spelled grammar

Make sure you capitalize the first word of sentences/questions/exclamations

Language names (spanish - should be Spanish) have to be capitalized

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updated Oct 22, 2011
edited by SonrisaDelSol
posted by susu8030
It's also important to use proper English on the forum! Gracias! - SonrisaDelSol, Aug 15, 2011

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It depends on how you learn, because it is possible to reach fluency without learning formal grammar. For most people, it can be helpful if it is used in context and for communication purposes. Learning grammar alone it is very unlikely that you will learn how to speak.

Kiwi: the reason why I disagree is because I have met people who, without having read a single page of a grammar, learnt Spanish to a degree of perfection, that it was impossible to notice they were foreigners. Their existence is the proof that you can learn without grammar. In fact, we all have learnt our languages without grammar, have we not? (and the foreigners I mentioned earlier were not babies, by the way)

updated Aug 16, 2011
edited by lazarus1907
posted by lazarus1907
You don't have to read a grammar book to learn grammar, Toddlers learn grammar by listening so do those who learn by immersion. When someone knows that Yo takes estoy and Tú takes estás, this is grammar. - SpanishPal, Aug 15, 2011
It's not grammar. Grammar is 'the rules'. Children learn the *sounds* of the language, not the rules. - Jack-OBrien, Aug 15, 2011
By grammar I refer to the extrinsic rules you find in textbooks, not the intrinsic mechanisms that we use when we use the language. - lazarus1907, Aug 15, 2011
je je Laz how did you know I was talking about u lol,actually you were 1 of the people I was thinking of and while I agree with you to some extent I think that when learning a 2nd language esp. as an adult, learning at least some grammar is advantageous. - Kiwi-Girl, Aug 15, 2011
At the very least, learning some grammar from Lazarus is most assuredly advantageous! ;) - territurtle, Aug 15, 2011
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Is this a wrong question?

What is it really what you want to ask?

Let's see.

If indeed you wanted to ask if it is important to learn grammar? Then the answer is YES

But maybe you wanted to ask if it is important to learn grammar to learn another language?

If that was the question then the answer is NO. smile

Can anybody tell me if a baby studied grammar in order to learn how to speak?

How many adults don't know how to read and write but they speak more or less well without ever knowing any grammar, much less having studied it?

That's all I have to say about this. smile

updated Aug 16, 2011
edited by chileno
posted by chileno
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Yes! Of course!

I'm going to say "yes" in as many languages as I can to make sure you understand how important knowing Spanish grammar is.

Yes!

Óo

Oui

Ja

Chai

Haan

Ji han

Da

Certe

Aiwa

Sim

Tak

Taip

Yeah

Yep

Fo shiz

Fo' sho'

Balli

Mmm hmmm

Speaking and listening is one thing, but reading and writing are super important parts of languages. You cannot ever truly be fluent in a language unless you know how to write it properly.


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updated Aug 15, 2011
edited by SonrisaDelSol
posted by SonrisaDelSol
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Absolutely - all though there will be those out there who disagree completely smile I find it interesting though that often those who disagree have quite a comprehensive knowledge of Spanish grammar je je.

updated Aug 15, 2011
posted by Kiwi-Girl
That should be "although." I'm sure you knew that, though. :) - MrSillyInc, Aug 15, 2011
Really? do you have any reference? http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/learnitv41.shtml - Kiwi-Girl, Aug 15, 2011
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Learning a language without grammar is like having a country without law or constitution i.e chaos.

updated Aug 15, 2011
posted by SpanishPal
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You learned the grammar of your native language before it was taught to you in school. Many people learning a foreign language learn things in the opposite order, and this creates problems for some people. In the end, you have to learn the grammar of a language in order to speak it properly, but you don't necessarily have to learn a bunch of stupid rules with a much bigger list of exceptions.

updated Aug 15, 2011
posted by lorenzo9
That's wrong Lorenzo, how could he/she have learned grammar before going to school? Think! I expounding in an answer... - chileno, Aug 15, 2011
By learning grammar I mean learning how to speak in a grammatically correct fashion, not learning the terminology and the rest of formal grammar. Everyone learns their native language this way before they go to school. - lorenzo9, Aug 15, 2011
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Sonrisa:

What makes you think I knew English at any time in my life or even when I came to the US?

I realized that I knew how to read, write and speak in my own language, so I knew I didn't have to do that in English. Hence, I dedicated to translate what I knew in Spanish already to English. But, very soon I realized that the result of my translation to English from Spanish wasn't good and I didn't that, because it was in English. Of course, I didn't know the language!

So, I started to translate from English to Spanish, and then I would see that the result was or wasn't correct, but I got the gist of it and then I could say it correctly.

You make errors of appreciation with this system at first, but soon your start to be good at it, and next thing you know, you are delving into that "foreign" language pretty good.

How 'bout that?

Sonrisa? wink

updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by chileno
chileno, I am amazed by how you have learned English, I think it is a great idea. Also, your English is very functional in my opinion. Grats. - JazSpanish, Oct 22, 2011
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I agree with Lazarus here:

In fact, we all have learnt our languages without grammar, have we not? (and the foreigners I mentioned earlier were not babies, by the way)

In fact, I would go so far as to say that focusing too much on grammar had become a hindrance to my success. Around two years ago, I was so busy (in my mind) trying to check and double check the conjugation of verbs, worrying about placement of adjectives, use of the subjunctive, etc., that I was basically paralyzed in conversation. By the time I was fairly certain in my mind that I had a solid sentence, the conversation was about three paragraphs ahead of where I was.

That being said, I think studying grammar is extremely beneficial and using proper grammar is essential. However, for me, I have found that focusing on the sounds, rhythms and music of Spanish is much more helpful for speaking the language. I do spend time understanding the rules of Spanish grammar and I will continue to do so. But I find that listening and speaking have been more important tools for my improvement.

updated Aug 16, 2011
posted by Nicole-B
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You don't have to read a grammar book to learn grammar, Toddlers learn grammar by listening so do those who learn by immersion. When someone knows that Yo takes estoy and Tú takes estás, this is grammar. - SpanishPal 45 mins ago delete | flag

It's not grammar. Grammar is 'the rules'. Children learn the sounds of the language, not the rules. - Jack-OBrien 5 mins ago flag

Grammar

In linguistics, grammar is the set of structural rules that govern the composition of clauses, phrases, and words in any given natural language. The term refers also to the study of such rules, and this field includes morphology, syntax, and phonology, often complemented by phonetics, semantics, and pragmatics. Linguists do not normally use the term to refer to orthographical rules, although usage books and style guides that call themselves grammars may also refer to spelling and punctuation.

Source: Wikipedia

updated Aug 16, 2011
posted by SpanishPal
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Yes it is important...however, it is not important to know grammery perfectly before you start applying what you have learned, You will pick up some as you go, and as people you are talking to correct you or as you further your studies. I would say when you are first learning, the most important thing to do is to try and apply anything you are learning, if thats the correct usage of ser...or if it is a list of vocab, the more you can incorprate it into your life by talking to others and applying it, the better off you will be.

updated Aug 16, 2011
posted by toothpastechica
After observing the best multilingual speakers, most seemed to use exactly the approach you suggest. Now if only I could do the same ... - territurtle, Aug 16, 2011
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I believe so.

On the other hand, I also think that the best time to begin studying formalized grammar is after one has already garnered some familiarity with the language itself. It is my opinion that the ideal time to start such lessons only occurs once the student has reached a level of proficiency which might allow such lessons to be presented in the target language rather than in the student's native tongue.

updated Aug 16, 2011
posted by Izanoni1
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Can anybody tell me if a baby studied grammar in order to learn how to speak?

Chileno did make a really good point. However, I think it's different when you are talking about a language other than your native language.

With your native language, you don't have anything to compare its rules to. However, it's important to know your second or third language's rules.

As a native English speaker, I do find that Spanish is different from English. If I never learned Spanish grammar, I'd be putting my adjectives before nouns and direct and indirect object pronouns after conjugated verbs (not imperatives).

When I was younger and didn't know any Spanish besides "hola", I never questioned English's rules because I didn't have anything in my knowledge to compare them to.

It's one thing with your native language. When learning a new language, it's important to realize that grammar rules vary between languages.

updated Aug 15, 2011
edited by SonrisaDelSol
posted by SonrisaDelSol
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What Nicole says about grammar becoming a hindrance is true. Besides. most people don't know their native grammar. And with that in mind, why should you take a foreign language grammar?

Maybe if you knew your own grammar then you can try to learn the grammar of another language.

Meantime, try to communicate in the other language, get a working knowledge of what the other language, pretty much like you do today in your native language.

Once you accomplish that, you can tackle grammar in your language and that one of the foreign language.

smile

updated Aug 16, 2011
edited by chileno
posted by chileno