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English accents versus Spanish accents

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Which is worse to learn for for second language learners. English accents or Spanish accents

I think Spanish isn't that bad for accent wise.. even as a learner there is not too much difference between most of South America and Spain, English is actually probably worse. I was at a Spanish speaking forum and someone was asking if he should go to England to learn English.

I am a native English speaker and have no problem with English in most countries, however I can hardly understand a word from someone native to England. People from Newfoundland.. almost worse. Some parts of the US are bad as well like in Louisianan where allot of Creole is used. Some is just funny to me..go rent the movie "Fargo". I thought it was a joke at first, but they speak that way in Fargo South Dakota.

I like the Australia accent and the Scottish accent.

Even here, from province to province there are subtle differences.

Not sure if this is English or Irish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKloG5xyhKM

Fargo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy2HfixB9_8

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updated Jul 9, 2011
edited by lagartijaverde
posted by coolclay
"a lot"; not "allot" - pesta, Jul 8, 2011
thanks, never occured to me that it might not be proper english because it is commonly spoken as one word. - coolclay, Jul 8, 2011
Hello Clay - I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't understand my English, are you sure about what you say? - galsally, Jul 9, 2011
Have you heard me on one of Kiwigirl's Interactive threads? I understand fully that I may sound weird to you, but surely you can understand? - galsally, Jul 9, 2011
I have not heard you..but I probably would understand. - coolclay, Jul 9, 2011
I pulled out my dictionary and "allot" is fine. - coolclay, Jul 9, 2011

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We in OZ do not have an accent ! We speak quite a refined type of English .

Albeit interspersed with a few hundred or so epithets of a slightly indelicate

nature , and we are known to use a few thousand idioms and phrases which

may send the local Vicar into paroxysms of funk , if not early dementia.

I can visit prison establishments world wide and be understood completely ,

why this is so always eludes me , I have always taken it as proof of the purity

of the Aussie sound , our dulcet tones reverberate around every establishment

of incarceration and penal colony on earth , with cries of " pull yer head in ya mug "

or "Ya flamin great drongo Richard cranium " Nos enseñan al mundo del idiomas inglís. wink cool smile

updated Jul 9, 2011
posted by ray76
Australia was originally a penal colony - coolclay, Jul 8, 2011
Are you intimating that my antecedents may be from the criminal classes madame? - ray76, Jul 8, 2011
that may account for the red wheels that each generation has around the neck and ankles , and why we scream uncontrollably at the sight of a dark blue uniform. - ray76, Jul 8, 2011
I've probably boroken more laws than you - coolclay, Jul 8, 2011
Some people are proud of their bad boy ways. - coolclay, Jul 8, 2011
And old bot ways too , nudge nudge wink wink . - ray76, Jul 8, 2011
Say no more ! - ray76, Jul 8, 2011
Ah, Ray, you're a treasure. - Luzbonita, Jul 8, 2011
Well" beautiful light ' if I am a treasure I must be a hidden one. Thank you . - ray76, Jul 8, 2011
Maybe you can light the way for me Luzbonita? - ray76, Jul 8, 2011
Ray I am beging to think you are a few bricks short of a load.;} - teasip, Jul 8, 2011
No, but there may be a few Kangaroos loose in the top paddock.¡ Entonces ten cuidado ! - ray76, Jul 9, 2011
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There are massive differences in accents in England. Even places just a few miles apart have slightly different accents. I suppose you have to be local to a particular area to notice, within a 10 mile radius of where I live (Sheffield) there are, at least, 4 different accents.

updated Jul 9, 2011
edited by billygoat
posted by billygoat
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The main difference between English and Irish accents is we pronounce all our Rs and they don't eat black pudding for breakfast... by which I mean they usually say "uh" where there's an R, but it depends on the part of England. Where as for example Boston people say "ah" where there's an R. Boston accents are the best!

updated Jul 8, 2011
posted by rabbitwho
And the scots roll theirs mate . Rs that is . - ray76, Jul 8, 2011
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A friend who used to live in Glasgow, Scotland, says that Glaswegians have a strong and difficult to understand dialect, which sometimes is a mixture of English and Gaelic. However, he told me that after a little time their accent was a pleasure to listen to. Also he said that locals were very proud of their accent and they said that if you understand the Glaswegian accent then you will not have any problem in understanding any English accent in the world.

updated Jul 9, 2011
posted by ianta
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I think it's best to learn the accent of the people you are going to be communicating with most.

For Spanish - English , for Mexicans-U.S would make sense but really most people don't get to choose whose accent they learn from. Whoever is teaching them will have the most influence.

updated Jul 9, 2011
posted by teasip
That makes so much sense, and is why I watch mostly Spanish tv not Mexican. :) - galsally, Jul 9, 2011
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I have noticed that accents have been softening all over the world , probably due to

the advent of electronic communication and international travel.

Even in England the strong accents ofLiverpool and Newcastle are not

nearly as prominent as they were 50 years ago . And here in OZ only the

old guys like me have that old bushy accents , we are becoming more

international and blending in , maybe more boring also , it will be a shame

if we end up all sounding like automatons . rolleyes

updated Jul 9, 2011
posted by ray76
We camped near Liverpool last year. My kids were very indignant when a group of kids with strong Liverpudlian accents told them they talked funny. - MaryMcc, Jul 8, 2011
The whole world is funny except you and me , but I am not so sure about you. Wilber it is so funny when that happens , we are all so insular. - ray76, Jul 9, 2011
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I live in Gloucester, the original one in the UK, only a few miles away is the Forest of Dean. The accent there is very strong, historically the area was quite isolated so developed its own dialect as well as a unique way of pronouncing standard English. Although I live so close by I find it difficult to understand someone with a strong Forest accent.

My own accent is reasonably neutral, my parents came from different areas and I went to a private school. But I am always surprised to here a distinct emphasise on the r sounds, characteristic of the area, if I hear my own voice recorded.

As for Spanish accents I am only familiar with the area around Barcelona which doesn't help as many have Catalan as a first language.

updated Jul 8, 2011
posted by MaryMcc
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After making this post I was a little concerned that I might offend some people, but I really find the ways people use their language very interesting. Without these differences, the world would be a much less interesting place.

If I offend anyone, it is not intentional

I should mention that I love that show shameless.

Some low brow Canadian humor would be a show called the "Trailer Park Boys"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbygmWKpP8

I can tell they are from some place in Ontario.

This is an example of someone from Newfoundland, also in Canada

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_CM63zSWTE

The interesting thing is that when you are some place where everyone has a specific accent, it stops being an accent and it is just normal

Some places here have had their accents change as well for something more American, possibly mine too.

It kind of makes me wonder.. who decides what is normal. What makes one regions accent better than another?

I suppose if the differences were too strong, it would evolve into another language and make communicating difficult which is a big purpose for language.

updated Jul 9, 2011
posted by coolclay
The Trailer Park Boys are from Nova Scotia. - leonada, Jul 8, 2011
I did not know. Thanks - coolclay, Jul 8, 2011
By the way m'dear, I'm not offended, just curious!! It takes a very direct insult to offend me, I always assume most people have good intentions. :) - galsally, Jul 9, 2011
I would so pick on you. Also, my intentions aren't always so good. - coolclay, Jul 9, 2011
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its better to learn english in the states, because you will be understood everywhere. but when you learn it somewhere else, people have a harder time

updated Jul 9, 2011
posted by Tattle
"English" i have to disagree with you . You will need to qualify where in the US are you are going to learn to speak English. - ray76, Jul 9, 2011
I disagree too. If you learn English from people who speak clearly and try to emulate them you will be understood everywhere, be your teachers/role models from USA, England, Oz, wherever. - galsally, Jul 9, 2011
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I think English accents are harder to learn than Spanish accents!!!! I've been taking Spanish for 5 years, and I can understand the basics if not the details of Spain Spanish and a few different South and Central American Spanishes. My friends, however, are mostly from South Asia and have a TERRIBLE time with English! My best friend learned British English in Sri Lanka, and now lives in the southern USA. He's on year three here and he still has lots of trouble with the dialect, another friend has been here since she was 6 years old, has no discernible accent, and still has trouble with the local English. English is definitely harder!

updated Jul 9, 2011
posted by bailarina95
I think english basics are easier, no extensive verb forms and noun genders - coolclay, Jul 9, 2011