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Use of definite articles?

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In some of the early Rosetta Stone Online Sessions, we have to describe what people are wearing.

So, let's say a woman is wearing a white T-shirt, green pants, and black shoes.

The "una" before "camiseta" makes sense to me, but do you say "los" before "pantalones" and "zapatos"?

And is it "lleva" or "está llevando"... or are both of those acceptable?

La mujer lleva una camiseta blanca, los pantalones verdes, y los zapatos negros.

La mujer está llevando una camiseta blanca, pantalones verdes, y zapatos negros.

In English (when just describing what somebody is wearing), we would say "a T-shift", but we wouldn't say "the pants" or "the shoes".

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updated Jun 5, 2011
edited by Tosh
posted by Tosh
Very good question! - Sabor, Jun 5, 2011

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So, let's say a woman is wearing a white T-shirt, green pants, and black shoes.

The "una" before "camiseta" makes sense to me, but do you say "los" before "pantalones" and "zapatos"?

You'd use "los" if you expect others to know exactly what shoes and trousers are those, like in English: "She is wearing THE shoes".

And is it "lleva" or "está llevando"... or are both of those acceptable?

"Está llevando" is a progressive construction, which means that you are in the middle of an action which progresses as it approaches its completion or conclusion, generally accomplishing something, but obviously, there are no developments or conclusions in the act to wearing something, so it would sound rather weird. However, if "está llevando" is used to mean that she is carrying clothes from one place to another, this action would develop as more and more clothes reach their destination, and it would culminate when all of them end up there and the task has been accomplished, so the progressive would be justified.

La mujer lleva una camiseta blanca, los pantalones verdes, y los zapatos negros.

That is correct if you expect others to know (or you imply that) that she owns one pair of green trousers and one pair of black trousers, and she is wearing exactly those; otherwise, you simply say "pantalones verdes, y zapatos negros".

updated Jun 5, 2011
edited by lazarus1907
posted by lazarus1907
Muchas gracias! - Tosh, Jun 5, 2011
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La mujer lleva una camiseta blanca, pantalones verdes, y zapatos negros.

As others have noted, this sentence is correct if you are giving a general description about what someone is wearing.

La mujer lleva una camiseta blanca, los pantalones verdes, y los zapatos negros.

Again, as others have noted, this sentence is correct if you are describing specific green pants and black shoes. But since your goal is a general description of all the articles of clothing, then you cannot use the definite article. You must either use an indefinite article, or you may leave off the indefinite articles for plurals (as in the first sentence above.) Example with indefinite articles:

La mujer lleva una camiseta blanca, unos pantalones verdes, y unos zapatos negros.

updated Jun 5, 2011
posted by gintar77
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In English, we would say "a T-shift", but we wouldn't say "the pants" or "the shoes".

Actually, I can think of several situations where we would.

updated Jun 5, 2011
posted by webdunce
Any one of several white tops, but the pants and the shoes that have been referenced before or that are particular in some way...for example. - webdunce, Jun 4, 2011
I meant, if I was just describing what somebody was wearing... - Tosh, Jun 4, 2011
To be clear, I'm talking about English, not Spanish. - webdunce, Jun 4, 2011
I knew what you meant... we might say.. ."she is wearing the green pants (as opposed to the black pants)", but that wasn't what I meant. I just meant in a quick description... :) - Tosh, Jun 4, 2011
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I think lleva, as well as the progressive form would be correct. "The lady wears..." & "the lady is wearing..."

If I were you, I'd use your second example.

La mujer está llevando una camiseta blanca, pantalones verdes, y zapatos negros.

updated Jun 4, 2011
posted by SonrisaDelSol
I agree. I think that sounds better, too. - Tosh, Jun 4, 2011
Spanish frequently uses definite articles for clothing...especially the clothes one is wearing...I'm not sure about the sentence in this example, though. - webdunce, Jun 4, 2011
Yep... and I tend to say "los pantalones verdes" in my example... but I don't want to keep doing that if its incorrect. - Tosh, Jun 4, 2011
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Hello Tosh,

Just incase you have not seen this refferrence article: Articles - Definite

I am working on this too. smile

updated Jun 5, 2011
posted by EL_MAG0
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there are no developments or conclusions in the act to wearing something

Sometimes there are, but since this is a family oriented forum I won't go into further detail. . .

updated Jun 5, 2011
posted by lorenzo9
The kind of developments you imply are another story. In the middle of the action, you are not half way in your "wearing them", and you don't approach any wearing goal by reaching the end of your "wearing them". - lazarus1907, Jun 5, 2011
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Anybody know about the use of the articles?

updated Jun 5, 2011
posted by Tosh
Strangely, for such basic elements of language, it is very difficult to teach. - ian-hill, Jun 5, 2011
In English I have a "flow chart" to show when they are used and when they are not - but not for Spanish. - ian-hill, Jun 5, 2011