Commands-proper lessons or practical usage?

Question

The link below is a discussion on the proper informal commands for "give" and this was also in my work book and on a handout from SpanII in college.

Now what is taught is not what I hear or see {in sentences}. Why is this? Is it because no matter what language we use, we get somewhat lazy in our practical use? I do hear and see the following very often:

dame; dime; cuentame but not with the D.O. & I.O. used together.

command confusion

Answer 1

dame, dime cuéntame

I think that it is just that those particular verbs don't allow as many possibilities as other verbs.

For example di: (decir)

Tell (me/her/him or any i.o.p).....if you want to use a d.o.p. it can only be an "it". You can't say Tell me/him/her.... and then have a d.o.p. meaning her, him, us. them, etc. The only d.o.p. that you can use is "it".

Tell me ....her/him/me/us you

Dile....¿qué? Dísela/díselo. The d.o.p. can only mean "it" or a 3rd person thing. It cannot be Díleos, díleme, dílesnos, etc.

And even when we are talking about a 3rd person thing we often are being specific, not general, so you don't use the i.o.p. and d.o.p. together.

Dile que.....

Dime cómo tú.....

Dinos el/la.....

So I don't think that there is anything unusal about using an i.o.p. and d.o.p combination after a command. It is just with those particular commands along with an i.o.p. only certain d.o.p.'s make sense, so the combinations aren't seen as often as with other verbs.

For instance, with Da (Dar)...dámela (give me her makes sense...hand her (the baby girl) to me) With di (decir) dímela..(tell me her...tell her to me makes no sense).

OK...so therefore when talking, "it" is understood and not necessary to say the d.o.? - foxluv, Jun 5, 2011

Answer 2

cuéntame but not with the D.O. & I.O. used together.

Missing accent.

Cuéntamelo, Cuéntanoslo, cuéntaselo, cuéntatelo tu mismo,

Again...all lo or la (d.o.p.) - 0074b507, Jun 5, 2011

Gracias...I totally forgot! - foxluv, Jun 5, 2011

Answer 3

Dile....¿qué? Dísela/díselo. The d.o.p. can only mean "it" or a 3rd person thing. It cannot be Díleos, díleme, dílesnos, etc.

I wonder if you got mixed up here...

di admits all kind of combinations

dínoslo, díselo, dímela, diselos/las,

IN theory, even :dítelo....is possible, but that is very weird, tell yourself...

No, is is the d.o,.p. (lo/la that is restricted, not the i.o.p.) all of your examples are lo/la/los/las - 0074b507, Jun 5, 2011

you don't have any dínosme or dímenos - 0074b507, Jun 5, 2011

Not mixed up...but how often in your speech do you say the above adding la/lo/las/los? - foxluv, Jun 5, 2011

Answer 4

I learned that DO & IO can be used together, IO coming first, followed by the DO.