Picking up the New Old Story
Okay, the (first) bad guy is dead because the old Don tripped him, the Don, the tailor and the tailor's friend and his 3 buddies are in the tailor's shop (with the dead man) I have listed some items in double angle-brackets(easier) - Laz, I like the colorful phrase about the sack of garbage - is it completely suitable for children's literature? The same phrase will be used again later .... Is there a lot of difference between ocurrido & sucedido? I like ocurrido better, but what do I know? I went with "dijo" though I wanted a verb that would not be taken for "told", one that means "arbitrarily and with authority ordered" ... ?? The constable/police-chief/whatever ... is an "agente de turno"? I never would have guessed! Vago=perezoso?? Is it even more slovenly, lazy & gross? My failure with the subjunctive is two-fold: 1) I don't know what I am doing, 2) I don't keyboard as well as I used to (and can't read what I put down, either!) Okay, want to rip it apart again?
| As the four ran into the shop, don Felicidados came forth and gave the dead man a poke with his cane. | Cuando los cuatro entraron corriendo en la tienda, Don Felicidados se adelantó y le dio un empujón al muerto |
| "Good riddance to bad rubbish!" he said and then he ordered Inigo, | Dio « "¡A tomar por saco con la basura!"» «"¡Adiós bueno a la basura mala!"», y entonces mandaba a Iñigo: |
| "You! Go to the stable, tell my coachman what has happened here and ask that he come here, run!" | |
| And he ordered the next fellow, "You! Go, get the lazy constable and tell him what happened here! Run!" | Y |
| And he ordered the third fellow, "You, run to the house of Don Felipe, tell him what has happened here and ask if I and the judge may dine with him this evening!" | Y |
| And he ordered the fourth, "You, run to the house of the judge, Don Sebastien and ask if he could dine with me at the house of Don Felipe this evening!" | Y |
And now I will expose my complete lack of facility with the subjunctive. sigh. This brings things back to the point where I left off before, and is improved many thanks to TomBurgos, Kiwi Girl, Cogomuela, Pescador1, Chileno, Tudelo, LuisCacheux and Lazarus1907!!
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Dijo: "¡A tomar por saco con la basura!", y entonces mandó a Íñigo.
¡Tú! ¡Ve al establo, cuéntale a mi cochero qué lo ha sucedido aquí y dile que venga! ¡Corre!
¡Tú! ¡Ve al establo, cuéntale a mi cochero lo que ha ocurrido, y dile que venga! ¡Corre!
Y le dijo a otro: "¡Tú, corre e informa al vago del agente de turno lo que ha ocurrido aquí.
Y le dijo a una tercera persona: "¡Tú, corre a casa de don Felipe; dile lo que ha ocurrido aquí y pregúntale si el juez y yo podemos cenar juntos."
Y le dijo al último: "¡Tú, corre a casa del juez, don Sebastian, y pregúntale si puede cenar conmigo en casa de don Felipe esta tarde.
Muchas gracias, mi amigos! And an especial one to Kiwi Girl who has been consistently patient with me as I mangle both my story and the Spanish language. We have had not internet access here for a bit - the storms tried to turn into tornadoes, but all they managed was to take down a lot of trees (ripped 'em out of the ground which was really mud owing to 40 days of rain - not all on consecutive days) and ... disrupted contact with the internet. I am catching up, however slowly. Thanks again, guys and girl! 
When to use which subjunctive - I'm still learning this but this may be helpful to you too Lector 
If the governing verb is in the present, future, future perfect tense or is a command and if the subjunctive is required in a subordinate clause, use the present subjunctive for a simultaneous or future action or the present perfect subjunctive for a previous or already completed action.
[Exceptions: 1) after ojalá when used as I wish and after como si use one of the two past subjunctives; 2) the imperfect subjunctive can be used after one of the “present time” tenses where the imperfect indicative would have been used if the indicative mood would have been used].
It's very tricky though because some bell is ringing about never following 'if' by the subjunctive in the present tense so maybe it's just the indicative in your case after all.
Oh Laz .... where are you, je je
Ok just out of interest and as an exercise I hope you don't mind if I put a couple of things down but as always please wait for someone who really knows what they're talking about . je je
I might be wrong but is codazo usually given with the elbow? if you poke someone with something is it dar a alguien con (la punta de) .... whatever it is. I could be way off of course :(
The couple of times you use 'tell him what' I would put and 'dile lo que ha ...'instead of di ... qué? maybe - as always wait for confirmation
pides (tú) - to match the ve
yo y él - accent
podamos - present subj? (edit remembering now not to follow if by the present subjunctive I would just say use the present indicative - podemos)
Ok I'll leave it there for now, will look back with interest
"¡Tú! ¡Ve al establo, di a mi cochero qué ha sucedido aquí y pidele que él venga aquí, corre!"
"¡Tú! Ve, trae el perezoso jefe de policia y dile lo que ha sucedido aquí! ¡Corre!"
Y mandaba al tercero "¡Tú, corre a la casa de Don Felipe, dile lo que ha sucedido aquí y pregúntale si yo y el juez puediemos cenar con él esta tarde!"
Y mandaba al cuartero "¡Tú, corre al la casa del juez, Don Sebastien, y pregúntale si puediere cenar con mi a la casa de Don Felipe esta tarde¡"
I agree with Kiwi Girl about adding the i.o.p.'s and relative pronouns.
puediemos and puediere...interesting verb conjugations. Where did you find them?
1.- "Pide que él venga aquí"... Acaso, ¿puede venir allá?
eso lo puedes cambiar por "pídele que venga".
2.-"Un codazo con el bastón"... Si puede dar codazos con el bastón, ¿entonces puede dar bastonazos con el codo?
3.- "Di a mi cochero qué ha sucedido aquí"... Hay que cambiar por "DILE a mi CHOFER qué ha suedido aquí"
4.-"DI" por "DILE"
