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Why do men in power behave so poorly? Updated due to recent events...

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We just checked out of a Manhattan hotel which was just across from the Sofitel Hotel. I commented that it looked like a nice place to stay. Little did I know the horrors that were reportedly going on in there with Dominique Strauss-Kahn. Then of course the story about Arnold Schwarzenegger broke yesterday.

Is it me or does it seem like men in positions of power and authority behave worse than the rest of the population? It seems to be a rather common theme in the news in recent years. The fact that something "allegedly" horrible took place directly across the street from where I was sleeping sent shivers up my spine.

I'm interested in your thoughts!

It is now July and almost two months later. In an effort to be fair, here is an update on the case which does not paint a pretty picture of DSK's accuser. I guess we still don't know what really happened, but I'm thinking that maybe the title should be changed to "Why do people behave so poorly?"Rape and physical assault is one of the worst crimes. However, attacking a man's character and destroying someone's life for personal gain is horrible as well.

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updated Jun 3, 2012
edited by Nicole-B
posted by Nicole-B
My dear, when you find a good answer, please share. The rest of the world would REALLY like to know :) - kiersten11, May 18, 2011
"Men" don't - a few do. - ian-hill, May 18, 2011
I understand that this is not a reflection on all men. I'm just curious about the many politicians, leaders, priests, ministers, etc. who are found guilty of these charges. - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
That being said, I am fully aware that in many of these cases, that "women" are just as guilty. - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
I am glad to hear that Nicole. - ian-hill, May 18, 2011
Nicole, these people behave this way because they have the power that allows them to do so. These people are a small portion of society who are not complete human beings, but mistakes of humanity - 005faa61, May 18, 2011
I'm glad that it is only a small portion Julian. I just wish they weren't in positions of authority or influence. - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
@kiersten11: Hey sweety, when you find some respect, please show us. The rest of the world would REALLY like to know :), just saying! :) - Destroyed99, May 18, 2011
I am happy to think that, at least, not everybody believe what newspapers say. Now, he is innocent, isn't it?. I think there is something true in the woman's story. Sorry, I am with that woman. It is true because other women have said the same about him. - nila45, Jul 4, 2011

33 Answers

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I believe that there are a few people, men and women, who behave badly regardless of where they are. People in power have more visibility, that's all.

What Strauss-Kahn is accused of doing is a common occurrence everywhere, every single day. So maybe this one woman got attacked, and one attacker is going to receive justice - maybe. What about the over 1100 women that reportedly get raped in Congo daily?

What about our friend, the mother of my son's best friend at school, who got brutally raped and cut in her own home, by a complete stranger? A stranger that then proceeded to walk out nonchalantly, secure in the knowledge that nobody would try to stop him....

Most of my female friends and acquaintances have suffered some sort of sexual attack. At the very least all of them have suffered some form of sexual harassment.

Yes, power does have a way of bending the spirit of a lot of people. But sexual crimes happen all the time, all over, regardless of how publicly powerful the attacker is. Maybe subjugating a weaker person does give some sensation of power to the perpetrator - but such a sick, distorted, petty, and destructive power!

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updated May 18, 2011
edited by Gekkosan
posted by Gekkosan
This is so true Gekko and very sad! We are all aware of criminals who harm others in this way and it is horrible. I think it is even worse when someone in authority..someone who should be trusted does this. - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
I am so sorry to hear about your son's friend's mother, Gekko - sanlee, May 18, 2011
And we haven't touched some of the worst kinds of sexual crimes thus far: those commited by familiy members, close acquaintances, or members of the clergy - people we ought to be able to trust implicitly! - Gekkosan, May 18, 2011
Yes, I think that goes along with the theme of abuses by those in positions of authority and trust. They are some of the worst crimes! - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
I agree Gekko :) The closer the bond of trust the more devastating the affects seem to be on tthe victiim/s - FELIZ77, May 18, 2011
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El poder corrompes corrompe y poder absoluto corrumpes corrumpe absolumente.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. A popular aphorism.

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updated Jul 3, 2011
edited by Lector_Constante
posted by Lector_Constante
"El poder corrompe y el poder absoluto corrompe absolutamente." - 002067fe, May 18, 2011
muchas gracias, TomBurgos! - Lector_Constante, May 18, 2011
You're welcome! But it's "corrOmpe" and "el poder absoluto (not "absoluto poder")....absoluTAmente" - 002067fe, May 18, 2011
Oh, well, some day I will have a reasonable grasp of Spanish ... maybe ... thanks again! - Lector_Constante, May 19, 2011
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In my view based on experience and observation of life power tends to make (very )insecure people act irrationally and gives many people an over-inflated view of their own self-importance so much so that they look down on others with a sense of superiority and sometimes think that either their positions of power and influence, their money or both make them somehwt untouchable...and immune from prosecution so that the justice system cannot touch them!

This problem is intensified when the person in power is a dictator, for instance Gadaffi or the late departed Sadam Hussain supported by a handpicked team of (usually) men who would appear to be telling them what they want to hear.

The desire to control events and people would seem to drive these people, in addition to the luxury and status that are attached to great power and influence.

What I find incomprehensible is how people in other poor countries, like African or South American states can rise from poverty and positions of power only to forget the other people who remain trapped in their poverty and they go on to live in luxury and extravagance at the expense of other starving people in. their country The greed and selfishness of humans has to be seen to be believed. The leaders are enjoying large amounts of food and drink many cars, wives and otehr priveleges while caring little or nothing for the starving millions in their own country Corruption stinks! mad angry cool grin shock

There are, or appear to be, some exceptions such as the previous Brazilian president who rose up from poverty as a shoeshine boy on the streets did seem to improve the policing on the streets and in the favelas.if a report that I read was true.

All this brings back to me the poinant and powerful words of George Orwell in Animal Farm, which in my view could be applied to every world political system devised my man whether communism, capitalism, liberalism ,or socialism or any other ''ism'' because of the inherent flaw in human thinking when captivated by a desire for power! ''All men are equal but some are more equal than others!'' My response to this is why...why should some people arrogantly think themselves superior to others?

updated May 19, 2011
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
Well said Feliz... I don't want to blast you on corrections because with such good content it almost seems not right. Lol... but there are a few in there that made me double-read it. ;-) - DJ_Huero, May 18, 2011
Te voy a votar - DJ_Huero, May 18, 2011
Thanks DJ Hopefully just typos not grammatical ones but plesae realise that we spell things differently in England :) - FELIZ77, May 18, 2011
Oh no, I'm aware of that lol. but what's an "otehr privelege"? ;-P Anyways, very good content. - DJ_Huero, May 18, 2011
Sorry, but Saddam was handpicked, put power, and supported by the US government specifically because he was a viscious sociopath. Without a huge amount of American assistance, he would have died a nobody. - lorenzo9, May 18, 2011
Don't worry about your mistakes Feliz - you will get a "fair trial" here. :) - ian-hill, May 18, 2011
Rofl@Ían so very resassuring hahaha - FELIZ77, May 18, 2011
Lorenzo Why on earth would America be so crazy as to choose and suppport a megolmaniac ? - FELIZ77, May 18, 2011
Crazy or not, the U.S. gave huge financial support to both Hussein and Bin Laden. Why? Because the U.S. has huge financial interests in the Middle East which we'll protect by affiliating with whomever. Pakistan, e.g. - babs_irish, May 19, 2011
Feliz, because it was during the Cold War and they wanted someone who would ruthlessly torture and kill people they suspected of being communist sympathizers withiout asking any questions. - lorenzo9, May 19, 2011
Saddam was not the worst person supported. The country has a long policy of doing what I call "Creating Tomorrow's Problems Today". Some of the recent ones include arming Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. - lorenzo9, May 19, 2011
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What gets me is - where is the "innocent until proven guilty" in American law?

I have been appalled by the media coverage of Strauss-Kahn. It stinks !

updated May 18, 2011
edited by ian-hill
posted by ian-hill
Usually in media, it is heavily suggested that you are guilty until proven innocent. And then the jury is still out....at least in the media. - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
That is why I used the words "allegedly" and "reportedly". :) - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
In many cases of mere scandal (rather than horrendous acts of genocide), the "innocent until tried" does not apply. Scandal always attracts those who never get to indulge in it. - Lector_Constante, May 18, 2011
The judicial system is required to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt to obtain a conviction, unlike other countries where the accused must prove their innocence to obtain an acquittal. - KevinB, May 18, 2011
Have you seen the computer generated "reenactment" of the crime created by a Taiwanese news agency? The U S press is actually fairly restrained compared to many other countries. - KevinB, May 18, 2011
As it should be - a "civilised" country no? - ian-hill, May 18, 2011
The media never swore to uphold the constitution. They did make a promise to their stockholders to do whatever earns them money. :) - pesta, May 18, 2011
je je - but not funny really Pesta. - ian-hill, May 18, 2011
An astute observation Pesta !!! - faliron, May 18, 2011
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Because they can. . .it also has to do with the ego and greed necessary to attain those positions, and the accompanying sense of entitlement.

updated May 18, 2011
edited by lorenzo9
posted by lorenzo9
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Of course it's the powerful men who are to blame. Preying on these young innocent young females. I mean non of these women are throwing themselves at these famous people, or are they? Monica Lewinsky kept that dress for ages with you know what on it. All the women I know would either have flung it or at least had it cleaned at the earliest opportunity.

Come on everybody, it takes two to dance and I say dance because this is a family forum, hehe.

updated May 19, 2011
edited by Eddy
posted by Eddy
Couple of things. Monica Lewinsky didn't turn on Clinton or attempt to discredit him. Her "friend," acting for the other political party, did that. As for "throwing themselves" at celebrities, that absolutely happens.But it's not a justification for rape. - babs_irish, May 18, 2011
You sound like my husband Eddy. It is very unsettling! jeje :) - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
Hi babs, don't you mean alleged rape. Or is he guilty because he is man. - Eddy, May 18, 2011
I totally agree Eddy that no one should assume he was guilty because of his gender. That would be horrible. Most men are great! - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
In the cases such as Clinton/Lewinsky, she was absolutely in the wrong. However, at the time, she was a very young intern who behaved poorly. I guess I just expected the leader of our nation to have the ability to resist this sort of temptation. - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
He was old enough to be her father. He should have at least had the discretion of avoiding the use of the Oval Office. I - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
I don't think this is relevant, he had a consentual relationship with another human being. This man is accused of attempted rape. I see no connection whatsoever. I don't even know why the Lewinsky thing was a headline, it was between her & the Clintons - rabbitwho, May 18, 2011
Te list of politicians who have had sex outside of marriage with people of the same or opposite sex is so long as to be irrelevant to this issue. - lorenzo9, May 18, 2011
I agree that the cases of Clinton - Schwarzenegger are very different from the accusations against Strauss-Kahn. Breaking the trust of a marriage relationship is not a good thing, but ir is a very different order of crime from sexual violence. - Gekkosan, May 18, 2011
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Throughout history men have lost their lives or had them ruined by false accusations of rape - and still happens today.

I want to see "proof" before I make up my mind.

updated Jul 2, 2011
posted by ian-hill
Hopefully everyone is in agreement with this statement Ian!!! - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
The statement of false accusations, I'll support. However, I don't believe this particular case falls into such circumstances though. - DJ_Huero, May 18, 2011
Belief is not proof. Never has been. Never will be - becuase it can not be proved. - ian-hill, May 18, 2011
Ok, this case does not fall into such circumstances. - DJ_Huero, May 18, 2011
(according to those there) - DJ_Huero, May 18, 2011
Hey if it doesn't fit you must acquit....that worked out well...I understand what you're saying Ian, don't get me wrong. - Jason7R, Jul 2, 2011
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I would like to think that all people are responsible for their actions rather they are in power or not in power. In this case, I might have to agree with others that he thought he was above the law and could do what you wanted because he could. This is a shame and I think people need to think about their actions and how it will affect others. smile

updated Jul 2, 2011
posted by Jason7R
He Strauss-Kahn has not been found guilty yet - so you don't know what he "thought" yet Jason. - ian-hill, May 18, 2011
I just saw this response...true Ian I don't know what he was thinking. It was simply my opinion. :) - Jason7R, Jul 2, 2011
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Having been on more than one jury in the US, I would say that the people eventually seated on the jury tend to take the proceedings very seriously and do try to maintain the attitude of innocent until proven guilty. In one first degree murder with special circumstances case I was the 64th juror put in the box and the last one seated--there is a great effort put into excluding predjuced jurors. I think everybody was very fair minded about that case, as with other cases I have sat on.

It is certainly not a trial by a jury of your peers, because that would mean a jury of people who have been accused of swerious crimes, and often have a long criminal history. For some reason, these people are adept at avoiding jury duty.

The media have a more inflated view of their own importance than even the criminally, corporately (oops) and politically powerful. What they say about the outcome of a trial will probably have as much effect as the all out assault on McCain by the Republican propaganda networks before the last election. . .of course that doesn't mean the Limbaugh isn't still the de facto head of the party.

updated May 18, 2011
posted by lorenzo9
Lorenzo, people with long criminal histories are not adept at avoiding jury duty, in most states they are not allowed to serve on a jury. - amykay, May 18, 2011
Jury duty rolls are made from drivers license files, and if they make it to the voire dire process the attorneys eliminate them. - amykay, May 18, 2011
Once again shot down by the lack of a sarcasm emoticon. . .and jury rolls are made from a variety of sources. - lorenzo9, May 18, 2011
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The Dominique Strauss-Kahn event proves that the rich and powerful are not always guilty simply because they are rich and powerful.

updated Aug 3, 2011
posted by Maria-Russell
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Oh! You really expect people who are famous, celebrated, well-known, objects of the media to behave better than the rest of us? If you feel that indulging in sexual escapades is common to such well-known persons as opposed to most people, well... I admire your faith in human-kind. I really do not care about their private lives so long as they do not abuse children, dogs or old folks, or actually break the law. I do not find this titillating (or even interesting). It annoys me to see it on every newscast, tabloid, etc. Surely there are more significant things to consider. alt text

updated May 19, 2011
posted by Lector_Constante
Like . . . learning some Spanish, maybe? :-) - babs_irish, May 18, 2011
de verdad! - Lector_Constante, May 18, 2011
I like your "rant" sign. - Leatha, May 18, 2011
The term famous, celebrated etc is not the right one in this case,but powerfull man in a position,where his official actions affect millions of lives.That explains the media madness. - faliron, May 18, 2011
I disagree - there are many powerful individuals who indulge in deplorable behavior, but until the media takes an interest, no one cares. - Lector_Constante, May 19, 2011
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The fact that rich and powerful men think that they are entitled to anything they want (most of all women) is nothing new. What astounds me to no end is that these guys, who have so much to lose, (half their fortunes, their careers, good names, etc.) are so careless and commit these acts (I'm think here or Arnold) without, ummm, protecting themselves. Really? They don't know how babies are made? LOL LOL Mel Gibson was guilty of this too.

updated May 19, 2011
posted by amykay
I agree Amykay. I heard some "professional" claim that this type of a man is a natural risk taker, loving to live on the edge. I say go skydiving and spare others unnecessary pain! - Nicole-B, May 18, 2011
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Further to my original answer and just to clarify where I stand with what I consider to be one of the worst of all crimes, mainly because rape can destroy lives. If Mr Dominique Strauss-Kahn is found guilty then he deserves to be strung up.

updated May 19, 2011
posted by Eddy
I think we are all in agreement with that Eddy. I'm curious to how the media is covering this in Europe and other parts of the world. In the U.S., the evidence is not looking good for him. I guess we will get a clearer picture as time goes on. - Nicole-B, May 19, 2011
"If" he is guilty he does deserve everything that is coming to him. I also feel sorry for the woman who came here looking for a better life, only to have this happen. That is again, if this is true. - Nicole-B, May 19, 2011
I hope they "string him up" by his weapon. Utter scum, "if" he is guilty of course. - DJ_Huero, May 19, 2011
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Eddy said:

I mean non of these women are throwing themselves at these famous people, or are they?

I totally agree Eddy, as mentioned in my comments above. My husband actually said the same thing to me last night. In the Schwarzenegger case I can't understand how the woman involved could not only betray her employee like this, but also continue to work for over a decade and bring her son to work with her.

Of course, I don't know all of the details so I don't want to be too harsh on this woman. However, I am fully aware that since the beginning of time that where there is a "David" there is always the possibility of a "Bathsheba"; where there is a Samson, Delilah is just around the corner. wink

updated May 19, 2011
edited by Nicole-B
posted by Nicole-B
For sure - DJ_Huero, May 18, 2011
Yes Nicole tragically ...often the case - FELIZ77, May 18, 2011
It's sad that, in 2011, we continue to hold women to a higher standard than that to which we hold men. And we wonder why female rape and abuse victims are so hesitant to go to the police? - babs_irish, May 19, 2011
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What gets me is - where is the "innocent until proven guilty" in American law?

I have been appalled by the media coverage of Strauss-Kahn. It stinks !

Ian I am all with you on that...it certainly stinks.

Why does everybody think it is true? why should this man attack a maid? big surprise

Sounds like utter nonsense to me.

updated May 18, 2011
posted by 00494d19
and what was up with schwarzenegger? - 00494d19, May 18, 2011
He has history with such attacks. An example of what I said about narcissistic entitlement. - MattM, May 18, 2011
Well, in the case of Arnold, he did confess publicly that he had a child with a member of the house staff. As far as anyone knows, there was no violence involved there, but there was a breach of trust in his marriage. So he confessed... - Gekkosan, May 18, 2011
.., and now his marriage is finished. - Gekkosan, May 18, 2011
I feel bad for his kids. - amykay, May 18, 2011