Home
Q&A
¿Cuánto cuesta + Verbo?

¿Cuánto cuesta + Verbo?

1
vote

Do I need "para" between "Cuánto cuesta" and a verb? Por ejemplo, "¿Cuánto cuesta para participar?" Gracias.

4877 views
updated May 17, 2011
posted by ariyah

4 Answers

1
vote

"Cuánto cuesta participar" = "How much does participating cost"

"Cuánto cuesta para participar" = "How much does [it] cost in order to participate"

Ok, I tried to write a nonsensical translation, and I've just realized that it is perfect in English, hehe. The option with "para" makes no sense whatsoever in Spanish.

The subject, "it", is understood in sentence 2 because of the conjugation of the verb "costar"

Spanish does not have the anticipatory "it" that English uses. In "How much does it cost to participate?", that "it" refers to the subject, which is "to participate"; both are the same, which is why many grammarians call that "it" dummy or redundant. In this sense, English and Spanish have similar structures, except for the absence of the "it" in Spanish, which would be a redundant and acompletely wrong pronoun. In Spanish, "¿Cuánto cuesta participar" is a simple sentence: "Participar" is the subject, "cuesta" is the verb, and "cuánto" asks for a price.

However, in the second version with "in order to", the sentence in English relies on the "it" to make sense. In "How much does it cost in order to enter", technically speaking, "in order to enter" is unlikely to be the subject (unless English subjects can have prepositions), but still, it is obvious that the "it" refers to that. Natives of all languages don't care about grammatical subtleties, so they just go to what make sense to them. In English it sounds right to say that something costs this or that... in order to this or that, right? Well, that sentence says that... at the end. However, at the beginning it has an "it" that suggests that later in the sentence we'll find out what we mean by "it".

This is a well known phenomenon: the "distance" between "it" and the last part of the sentence means that natives will eventually lose track of their connection, and they'll begin to "break" old rules (that probably no longer apply nowadays) because they just want to speak, not to follow grammars. In Spanish you can find a similar distance between an anticipatory pronoun and its referent in "Le dije a mis padres..." (in theory it should be "les", to agree with "a mis padres), where the distance between "le" and "a mis padres" is gradually less and less observed by natives.

So, Spanish has no "it" anticipating anything, and since there is no "distance" between two parts of the sentence, the grammatical rule is followed very strictly. "¿Cuánto cuesta...?" should be followed by the subject, and subjects don't have prepositions, so if you continue with "para...", that's fine, but you still need a subject, you still need to name the thing whose price is being asked about. The sentence with "para", basically, has no subject, and yet it has a weird object with "para" that indicates that an unknown subject will be given to someone called "in order to participate". A total mess!

Summing up: in English "it" can take assume the role of subject, even though its meaning is deduced from an additional phrase that is not technically the subject. It is a grammatical mismatch that makes sense to natives. In Spanish there is no "it", and also no subject, so the sentence makes no sense.

Does it make sense?

updated May 17, 2011
edited by lazarus1907
posted by lazarus1907
Ground breaking explanation thanks a lot Lazarus! - GuitarWarrior, May 16, 2011
It does make sense to me - and by "it," I mean your rationale. Thanks for taking the time to explain. In English, we do create a kind of false noun when needed. So... what is the correct translation? Thanks! - ariyah, May 17, 2011
3
votes

You can just say "¿cuánto cuesta participar?"."participar" is the subject that way, so it would translate to "How much does participating cost?" "para" is not NEEDED in this example, but adding it would not be wrong, because then it would say "How much does it cost in order to participate? Either way would be understood.

updated May 16, 2011
posted by GuitarWarrior
Thanks for the explanation! - ariyah, May 10, 2011
2
votes

because then it would say "How much does it cost in order to participate? Either way would be understood.

Without "para", it would be the subject indeed, but with "para", the sentence would not be the one you suggested, but even worse:

How much does cost in order to participate?

Notice that in the "wrong" Spanish sentence with "para" there is no subject either.

updated May 16, 2011
edited by lazarus1907
posted by lazarus1907
Really? I thought (it) was understood when there is no clear subject, because we can see that in the verb "cuesta" - GuitarWarrior, May 10, 2011
I'm pretty sure the subject in the second sentence is "it", because it is understood by the conjugation of the verb "costar" - GuitarWarrior, May 10, 2011
Good point. I'm not sure the answer.... - ariyah, May 16, 2011
0
votes

Lazarus, could you please help us here?

  1. "Cuánto cuesta participar" = "How much does participating cost"

  2. "Cuánto cuesta para participar" = "How much does [it] cost in order to participate"

The subject, "it", is understood in sentence 2 because of the conjugation of the verb "costar"

the sentence would not be the one you suggested, but even worse:

What did you mean by even worse? Is sentence 2 already unacceptable as I have written it?

Notice that in the "wrong" Spanish sentence with "para" there is no subject either.

What did you mean by either? What are you comparing?

updated May 16, 2011
posted by GuitarWarrior