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Past Perfect vs Simple Past in this case

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I wrote the following sentence

Es el segundo escritor de esta region que ganó el premio Nobel de literatura pero los dos son muy diferentes.

I was corrected by a teacher that it should be "ha ganado" instead of "ganó".

Generally I go for perfect if the event took place more than a day ago, and indicative if it took place very recently (as in today or in an ongoing period like "este siglo")

The event i am describing here took place a few months ago, and though that is not specified in the sentence, the sentence does suggest the event took place some time ago.

In this case, why is the perfect tense used instead of the indicative?

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updated Jul 18, 2011
posted by El_Hitch
Sorry I'm not sure enough about this topic to answer your question, but note that it should be región instead of region. To me, ganó seems fine, but maybe I'm wrong. - someone09, May 8, 2011
The indicative mood has some of the perfect tenses. - Sabor, May 8, 2011

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The event i am describing here took place a few months ago, and though that is not specified in the sentence,

The present perfect is recommended here precisely because it is not specified in the sentence; it is just mentioned because it is relevant now even though it happened in the past. However, the present tense is showing signs of slowly being displaced by the preterite, so don't be surprised if to some native speakers the preterite is perfectly acceptable here.

Generally I go for perfect if the event took place more than a day ago, and indicative if it took place very recently (as in today or in an ongoing period like "este siglo")

"Este siglo" can easily be 99 years ago. Present perfect is used when it is connected to the present moment or it is relevant now, regardless of how long ago it happened. Preterite lacks this connection with the present moment for speakers who clearly differentiate between the two tenses (see my warning above).

"La tierra se ha enfriado en los últimos 100000 años is not something recent, but it is connected with the present, for we are looking at the present situation of the Earth.

updated Jul 18, 2011
edited by lazarus1907
posted by lazarus1907
This was a very informative and helpful post for me Lazarus. Muchas gracias. - teasip, Jul 18, 2011
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**Ha ganado is correct rather than ganó because the pretirite perfect is used to express an action which stretch from the past to the present In many cases it is clear that the action started in the past and is still going on

eg Siempre ha sido un soñador = He has always been a dreamer

In other cases the action has finished but its relation with the present depends upon the speaker's perception of the present eg

Me he comprado un coche nuevo = I have bought a new car

In this example the action has finished but the speaker situates it in a 'present time framework' since the effect of the action is ongoing.

In your example:

Es el segundo escritor de esta region que ''ha ganado'' el premio Nobel de literatura pero los dos son muy diferentes.

''The event i am describing here took place a few months ago, and though that is not specified in the sentence, the sentence does suggest the event took place some time ago''

It refers to the second person who has won the Nobel prize for Literature and so I believe this example is similar to the second example above where the speaker situates it in a present tiem framework since the effect of the action is ongoing. In practice a person wins a prize such as this for a whole year and receves the honour until a new person is awarded it the following year this sense the effect of teh action is ongoing.

I hope this helps grin

updated May 9, 2011
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
Sounds good to me. :) - 0066c384, May 8, 2011
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Hitchens, I can't give a reason, but I would use "ha ganado" in Spanish or "has won" in English for that application.

"This is the second writer from this area that has won..." sounds better to me. The only reason I can suggest is that this statement does not reflect an event that had a definite ending, but addresses an event that may be in a current (accrual) condition.

I agree with your teacher, but that may be a very poor reason. You have a good question.

updated May 8, 2011
posted by 0066c384
I agree...I can't really put my finger on the reason why, but it just sounds better to my ear. But if it were my paper, I'd be asking the same question as you did, Hitchens. Good luck! - megan5, May 8, 2011
I agree. It's a great question. :) - 0066c384, May 8, 2011
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I would certainly use the present perfect in English, and probably in Spanish for that reason, but most people here in South America would probably use the preterite.

updated Jul 18, 2011
posted by lorenzo9