"da por avocado"

Question

In a news article the following paragraph"Este es el precio que exigen a cambio de apostar por un país a que un mayoría de analistas da por avocadoa la reestructuración,lo que representa que existe un alto porcentaje de perder parte de su dinero." has the word avocado .What does it mean at this context?

Answer 1

avocar. (Del lat. advoc?re). 1. tr. Der. Dicho de una autoridad gubernativa o judicial: Atraer a sí la resolución de un asunto o causa cuya decisión correspondería a un órgano inferior.

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I am not entirely sure the word is being correctly used in that context.

The word in question appears in an article about the Greek debt. - faliron, Apr 19, 2011

Avocado is the participle of the verb.Could it possibly mean to transfer the resolution of the problem to another financial authority? - faliron, Apr 19, 2011

Must've been delicious.:) - Deanski, Apr 20, 2011

Answer 2

tomar por dado

it was a given

or

take it for granted.

EDIT:

Now that I read this again, this could also mean "to take this as a fact" = dar por sentado, and it also could mean to take the attribute...

Taken as given? - JoyceM, Apr 19, 2011

But is the participle of the verb avocar that is used? - faliron, Apr 20, 2011

Answer 3

Looking at this carefully once again, I see a number of strange elementes in this sentence (in bold):

"Este es el precio que exigen a cambio de apostar por un país a que un mayoría de analistas da por avocadoa la reestructuración,lo que representa que existe un alto porcentaje de perder parte de su dinero."

I believe three things may have happened here:

1. This is not an original Spanish text, but rather a machine translation of an original in other language.
2. This was written by someone attempting to use "sophisticated" language,without actually having sufficient mastery of the language.
3. This was written by a foreigner who lacks sufficient mastery of the language.

Therefore, it is very difficult, if not impossible, to be sure about what exactly the writer meant with that text.

I concur. - 002067fe, Apr 20, 2011

Attached is the link to the article:http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/Grecia/gana/tiempo/lograr/vender/deuda/esperado/elpepueco/20110419elpepueco_4/Tes - faliron, Apr 20, 2011

The phrase "una mayoría de analistas da por avocado" is in the first paragraph of the article. - faliron, Apr 20, 2011

Answer 4

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Answer 5

Este es el precio que exigen a cambio de apostar por un país al que una mayoría de analistas da por avocado a la reestructuración,

Ahhhhhh, now that's different! So much difference, just by changing a few letters here and there!

In this case "avocado" means "committed" or "dedicated". "This is the price required in exchange for betting for a country that most of the analysts consider committed to restructuring."

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Now here I'd ask for the opinion of one of the members with greater knowledge , or better access to reference materials than I do.

I can recognize this use of the word, and if one does a Google search there are plenty of examples that show that this is a common use of the word (eg. "Gobierno Nacional se mantiene avocado a mejorar el sistema Metro"). However, as far as I can see in all my reference materials, this is not the correct meaning of the word. So I wonder how it came to be used that way?

In any event, "que existe un alto porcentaje de perder parte de su dinero." is still wrong. This seems to be missing something like "porcentaje de inversionistas en riesgo de perder parte...."

News article "elpais"4/19/2011 http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/Grecia/gana/tiempo/lograr/vender/deuda/esperado/elpepueco/20110419elpepueco_4/Tes - faliron, Apr 20, 2011

Oh, I am not questioning the exactitude of the quote, Faliron. However, I am finding more and more that newspapers appear to be growing careless with the language they use. It's not an error of transcription; it appears to be an error of usage. - Gekkosan, Apr 20, 2011

Perhaps it would be better if porcentaje is replaced by probabilidad. - Deanski, Apr 20, 2011

La frase "que existe un alto porcentaje de perder parte de su dinero" no es incorrecta. - Agora, Apr 20, 2011

Por ejemplo: "existe un alto porcentaje de ganar esta apuesta" - Agora, Apr 20, 2011

I will have to disagree with you in that one, Agora. To me that doesn't make sense. I'd say: "existe una alta probabilidad", in either case. - Gekkosan, Apr 20, 2011

Answer 6

Taking into consideration the analysis of the news item to which the article refers ,the best translation of "da por avocado" must be "taken as given" by JoyceM.

Answer 7

The full context is:

Los intereses a los que los inversores están dispuestos a entrar en la deuda griega siguen disparados. Este es el precio que exigen a cambio de apostar por un país al que una mayoría de analistas da por avocado a la reestructuración, lo que representa que existe un alto porcentaje de perder parte de su dinero. Con estos malos augurios de telón de fondo, Grecia ha acudido hoy al mercado a vender letras a tres meses y, pese a las dudas, ha logrado colocar más dinero de lo previsto, aunque a costa de elevar los intereses.

I think there were some typing errors, faliron.

Ah! you found the article where this appears foxluv!!! and whose typing errors are you talking about? - faliron, Apr 20, 2011