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Some advice for an exchange student in a tricky situation?

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Sorry, I know this isn't exactly what the forum is meant for, but to be honest I'm not entirely sure where else to turn, and here I might be able to get some explanations on if this is typical in Spain or not.

As some of you already know, I'm in Spain on exchange at the moment. I posted a question a while back about homesickness and issues with learning the language, and for the most I've been feeling alright about those lately.

However, something else has now happened which is making life really difficult for me here. The whole time I've been here, I've had to see a particular group of boys every time I go out, who seem to find the fact that a) I'm foreign and b) I don't speak Spanish very well yet, very funny indeed. It's been really annoying, especially as now that I've been here 3 months, it hasn't gotten better, but in fact worse, but I could put up with it when it was only that group of boys.

But, when I went out the other night, that group of boys, as well as another, older group, took it upon themselves to spend the whole night harassing me trying to convince me to "hook up with" (which essentially means they wanted me to make out with the guy for the night) one of the guys who was at the botellón. Obviously, I wasn't going to do that simply because they wanted me to, so I didn't do anything like that, but I spoke to the boy who they wanted me to get with very briefly.

Now, when I go out, first I have to put up with that first group of boys watching every move I make, laughing whenever I speak, and coming up to me every 5 minutes trying to push one another into me. Then, when the second group arrives, I have to repeatedly tell them I'm not interested in their friend, and listen to them telling me "Well, he says you don't speak Spanish very well anyway", which of course makes me feel great. Only one of my friends here tells them to cut it out, and unfortunately she wasn't there last night when the second group were taunting me. My host sister was there however, and apparently this doesn't seem like an issue to her, because she didn't say anything, and seemed surprised when I eventually had enough and said I was leaving to go home on my own.

That's a lot of information, I know, and it's probably fairly obvious that I'm not very happy with this. So, my questions are as follows: 1) Is this normal in Spain? Because where I come from, there is a lot of respect for people who are trying to learn another language, and this absolutely wouldn't happen under any circumstances. I'm not implying anything about Spain, but maybe there just aren't as many foreigners here and thus it's especially funny for them? I don't know.

2) What should I do? Obviously it'd be ideal if I could just move to another family, but I've been here 3 months already, and the idea of going through the whole adaption progress again, and having to leave my current host family, who on the whole I like, doesn't appeal much to me.

I know that as an exchange student, I have the option of speaking with my local co-ordinator, and I plan to do that, but as I don't have a mobile here I can't ring her myself without asking to use my host mother's phone, and my host family get a bit weird every time I ask to call, as they seem to think I'm calling to complain about them or something. My local co-ordinator has said previously that she plans to call me some time this week, so I'll definitely tell her about this then, but I'd really like some advice in the meantime, and some suggestions for things I can do about this, as I will be expected to go out every night this week, and right now I just don't know what to do.

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updated Apr 18, 2011
edited by aboutagirl
posted by aboutagirl
Hey, sweetie, I just noticed this is in the wrong category, :() Just caught my eye, may want to change it, I can't :) - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
whoops, changed it :) - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011

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G'day. You are in a position which really is the same everywhere , it is the age

of the guys and their emotional development . The best way to counter this is to try

and realize that it is only a problem if you allow what they are saying to affect you .

They are boorish and ignorant , just find a different venue to enjoy your spare time

, this is not your scene , you do not have to try and fit in with them ,your

standards are not theirs so ignore them or move away. You are correct in saying

that a different language here is not a cause for making fun of , we are more tolerant

of other peoples languages , maybe they are embarrassed at your efforts which may

have made them feel inadequate , at any rate move away from these boys and

find young people closer to your own set of values. Best of luck.

And yes this is the forum for just this kind of problem , your problems are our problems.

updated Apr 18, 2011
posted by ray76
Thanks for the advice Ray - Australia's probably given me some false hopes on how well foreigners learning a language are accepted - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
And yeah, I suppose I'll just have to keep trying to avoid them - they certainly are ignorant. Thanks for caring about my problems :) - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
It is becoming more of a problem here, with immigration becoming controversial, rude things being said about the need to learn english or go home....it is a shame that we can't all get along :/ - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
it's exactly that culture of "learn english" that unfortunately is quite common among us english speakers that made me want to learn another language. it really is a shame :/ - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
me too, aboutagirl, I grew up in a racist family, and I never understood it, never - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
I always want to say: "Learn human!!!!!" - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
that's exactly it! i don't understand how people can be so ignorant as to think theirs is the superior language/race - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
or religion :) it comes from fear.....we see in others what we can't explain and we want to explain everything, evern if it is a wrong explaniation, such as the world is flat - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
But the bottom line is that we need to live inside our selves and not let other people push our buttons , only we control the" remote" to our emotions, we can accept , or reject what they say. - ray76, Apr 18, 2011
Forgive me if I sound a bit of a know -all , about this but I have found that it pays off to stand aside from all the abuse around us. - ray76, Apr 18, 2011
i agree, if we don't, it eats us alive :) - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
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Ok, I obviously dont know you as a person, or the situation you find yourself in. However, what I do know about is 17 year old boys!! (I used to be one lol)

You are a very pretty young girl, right. These boys are not really taking the mickey - they are actually trying to impress you. Strange behavour I know, but 17 year old boys are a different breed! It would be exactly the same in most countries I would have thought.

updated Apr 18, 2011
posted by billygoat
Hahaha, "I used to be one". I will never understand you boys :P Thanks for the response! :) - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
erm, perhaps i should add, im still male......just not 17 any more sadly :'( hope all turns ok out for you :) - billygoat, Apr 18, 2011
lolololol....I love how words, lack of, order, whatever, change the meaning so much of our thoughts and intentions - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
lol. My english, I know, is terrible! My Spanish grammar is actually much better than my English lol - billygoat, Apr 18, 2011
mine as well, I am taking advanced english grammar in august to help my English :) - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
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Interestingly, my daughter, who is 18 (nearly 19), is having difficulties with her peers at the moment, not exactly the same type as you (maybe because she has a boyfriend they all know about,) but I believe also age/confidence/maturity-related. We're also in a village (in England!)

Her friends are very immature in some ways, and at the moment they are on vacation from school/college. They are going overboard on alcohol and weed, I can't believe how much they do. It really makes them bores to be around, inconsiderate and very silly. :(

She has had hassle with a big older lad, really saying inappropriate things to her, so much so that she has come home early if he's around.

Okay, so all I've said really is that you're not the only one, and that it's not only in Spain that you'll find that sort of behaviour!

What to do? I like redqueen's reply suggesting you talk to the mum. It's a pity that you're having to put up with this.

I do think it's all just silliness, probably the young lads would really like to get to know you, but in their clumsy immature way it has the opposite to the desired effect.

I wish you the best of luck, dear, I hope soon you'll be able to come back to us saying it's all sorted out.

Adolescence is a very hard time, and I think it goes on for a lot longer than people expect.

Un abrazo. :D

updated Apr 18, 2011
posted by galsally
well said, I tend to ramble, my poor daughter!! - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
Thanks! It does sound like your daughter's situation is rather similar - I hope things are sorted out soon! - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
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Okay, I am going to be blunt and honest, because I believe that if you are posting this here, you need some advice. I will post this in parts so that you will get some advice before logging off, hopefully, and it may take me a bit to formulate every thought and type it for you.

First of all, stop going out. From what I know of the botellón, it is a place for underage Spaniards to drink....and the drinking age is 17 or 18 I believe, probably 18. I could be wrong about this, but I took Spanish history last semester and my profe was from Spain, and very serious about her teaching its history and current day culture.

updated Apr 18, 2011
posted by theredqueen
Botellon isn't as bad as the news and all makes it seem - I knew about it before coming here, but in the little village I'm staying it's a lot more tame - underagers with soft drinks and overagers with alcohol, so botellon itself isnt really a problem - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
And I dunno, every time I don't go out, people take it really personally here, and the people who are actually nice to me get a bit hostile. According to all my handbooks on being on exchange, I really have to go out :/ - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
Also, I'm not trying to be difficult, haha, and I do really appreciate that you're taking the time to respond! - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
you aren't :) conversations are hard through typing...there is no interjection for clearing things up :) - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
I know drinking is not looked upon with the same stigma it is here in the US, land of the, hmmmm, free.....thank goodness - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
mm, from what i hear of the US, theres definitely less stigma about it in Spain - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
everywhere!!! we only like it if we can tax the crap out of it, oh, sorry, i digress - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
hahahahaha - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
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I think often what happens is that when strange men treat us like this it makes us so nervous and tense and frightened that often we actually smile because we don't know what to do. And they're stupid enough to think that's a form of encouragement. You need to put on your biggest, uggliest, face, and tell them very loudly and vulgarly F*CK OFF. (It's internationally understood)

Shout at them and embarrass them. Let yourself get angry. You'll end up seeming like the one in the wrong, but they'll leave you alone!

updated Apr 18, 2011
edited by rabbitwho
posted by rabbitwho
Embarrassing anybody on purpose just perpetuates any problem and drives distance between cultures learning to deal with each other here.....why not handle it in kindness first? - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
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Okay, now some questions. How old are you? I am guessing high school. This leads to my next question, why are you "expected" to go out every night?

I don't mean this to sound rude, as I have been a young woman, once-upon-a-time.....

but I know what it is like to enjoy the attention, and although you can feel that it is not the correct attention, you probably are holding onto that attention due to the fact that you are somewhat alone in a foreign culture at an age where romance and love are new and intriguing.

I have been to many countries, some where neither Spanish nor English were spoken, and I have never been laughed at for trying to speak the local language, nor for not knowing how.

Ray is correct in saying that it is their age. But regardless of their age, or country of origin, they are guys and they are showing off for each other and you.

updated Apr 18, 2011
posted by theredqueen
I'm 17, almost 18. And the reason I'm expected to go out is as what I commented on your last post - it is the culture here, and my friends get offended when I don't go out. - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
And I absolutely don't enjoy the attention at all. I'm really not one of those people who likes attention, I much prefer to just blend in. Honestly, this has nothing whatsoever to do with wanting attention. - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
And no, "romance and love" don't interest me here at all. I had a boyfriend prior to coming here, and although we're not together now due to the fact I'm away for so long, I have no interest in doing anything with any other boy. - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
Oh, and the reason I'm expected to go out every night this week is because it's holidays this week and apparently that's what they do here. - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
no, I know the night life in Spain and the importance of it....but I also know that it is not expected of you that you put up with harassment - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
you may not be interested, but these boys are....even in their kindergarten hair pulling ways - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
yes, i think next time it happens i'm going to stop politely taking it - i know enough spanish to at least make it obvious that i'm not keen on putting up with it any more - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
haha yes, i have made a lot of comparisons in my head between these boys and infants - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
most likely, these boys are just flirting, although they obviously don't really know how, but still, be careful and make sure that what you say isn't going to cause things to escalate...never never never embarrass a man in front of his friends - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
that's a good point actually, i'll try to say it fairly calmly and all, but i sure plan to be firm about it. wish i wasn't so shy, haha, it makes things difficult - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
remember the power of words, and that they don't have the same meaning for all of us...can you talk to a friend your age about what to say? you could even practice on here.... - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
yeah, that friend of mine that normally sticks up for me would probably be happy to help me :) - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
Ha ha! Don't you love it when you're being harassed by men and people claim you probably deserve it/are encouraging it/enjoy it. - rabbitwho, Apr 18, 2011
we all enjoy attention.....doesn't matter where it comes from, just our state at the time.. :) - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
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Oh, and, maybe I will stop after this one, but take this opportunity to realize something important about life.....

People are people no matter where you go, no matter the difference in language or culture or religion.

We all have the same potential to be great or horrible humans. No matter where we are in life.

We are all living in this world and trying to make some sense of it. Try not to be angry or confrontational.

Simply pretend that they are in your country, somewhat uncomfortable in their new surroundings, and make them feel at home. You know, the golden rule smile

updated Apr 18, 2011
posted by theredqueen
Thanks heaps for all your advice - it means a lot that you've taken the time to help. I'll take it all on board and try a few things and see if I can improve the situation a bit :) - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
keep us informed!!! the key to peace is understanding humanity, the key is in understanding ourselves.....we all learn from each other and the outcome of your situation and how you deal with it could help others - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
I will indeed keep you informed :) - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
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I could be off on this one...but here goes.

I am shy as well, so I know this could be hard, but think about it.

We are all insecure at times. My daughter is 7, and it is funny to watch the "flirting" that goes on in her class. It reminds me that we are all 7, trying to figure each other and ourselves out and how we all relate.

You are new to them. We are afraid and intrigued by what we don't understand.....instead of "sticking up" for yourself, maybe approach them with a smile on your face and engage them in direct conversation.

Ask them a question about something you are truly interested in knowing.

Comment on whatever it is that is popular in that particular area of Spain hoy en di'a.

I really think they will be shocked into behaving better towards their guest. Or too afraid of your obvious power to continue in their childish ways. smile

updated Apr 18, 2011
posted by theredqueen
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If I learned one thing from Profesora Steen, 85, from Spain, it is that Spaniards usually have no problem with being blunt, and in my experience, to the point it seems rude, although it usually isn't. I don't mean to stereotype, but alas, it does sometimes help us.

My point being:

Speak up. I don't think you would have posted this question if you didn't have the feeling that something wasn't right....and you should A L W A Y S listen to your feelings.

I have been in a very bad situation in southern Mexico, very bad. I was young and not paying attention to myself. I got caught up in a moment....

I admire that you are in another country learning, obviously you are an intelligent young lady. I understand the need to fit into the culture, part of why you are there, and that part of that is being with people your age doing what they do. Part of that is the botellón, however, no matter how innocent it may seem, kids with hormones, sorry, young adults smile, mixed with drinking, can lead to trouble. Honestly, no matter the age it can lead to trouble.

Speak up to your host family.....tell them you enjoy the experiences, but that you aren't sure how to deal with a certain situation. Part of their job as a host family, is to assure that you are comfortable, safe and learning about all aspects.

updated Apr 18, 2011
posted by theredqueen
You're probably right about that - I think I'm going to try to speak with my host mother about it if I can get her alone later today :) - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011
I was in a host family for a month or so, Greatest lady alive, and I know she would have listened to me and helped me with anything. - theredqueen, Apr 18, 2011
my host mum's pretty amazing too - definitely one of the best things about my time here! - aboutagirl, Apr 18, 2011