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The thing of it is is...

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I heard this English idiom spoken quite often, with two consecutive occurrences of "is", -- example:

The thing of it is is that John didn't want to go out with Mary.

It means,

The most important fact is that John ...

I believe it is valid grammar, but I find it annoying. When you google the expression "the thing of it is is that", you find 1,830,000 results!!!

Also annoying is a related expression,

What it is, is ...

What do you think? Do students of English need to learn about this? It's not too difficult, but I suppose it is bad style.

Here's a funny statement one forum member on languagehat.com wrote about it:

The thing of it is is that the thing 'the thing is is' is is what the thing 'the thing is is' is was and what the thing 'the thing is is' is will be, things the thing is is are being what things the thing is is are are.

I have not yet decided if it even makes sense smile

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updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by pesta
Wow, I don't think I have EVER been so confused in my life! - ForgetMeNots123, Mar 25, 2011
I think he needed to use a comma, the thing of it is, is it would make more sense. ;) - EL_MAG0, Mar 25, 2011
Don't beleive in Google, it has no sense of grammar! - annierats, Oct 22, 2011

17 Answers

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I have not heard , " the thing of it is" but it is common to say,"the thing is "

and then one goes on to explain a point. What it is , is this, also is quite common

in speech when one is explaining something . Remember that ,is, is a very powerful

word, what isthat how "is" that , it "is" , " is " he , where " is "it , and so on ,

It cannot be overdone although it looks awkward ,is, is correct.

updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by ray76
Because you have your commas. Bien hecho. - EL_MAG0, Mar 25, 2011
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I love it!

What it is is...

That's standard fare in my region. A great way to answer a question that starts off "What is...?"

However, "the thing of it is is..." sounds really odd. Here, we say "the thing is is..." which is much better.

I was going to visit my uncle today. The thing is is I have to work today.

What's a buffet? What it is is a bar in a restaurant where you serve yourself.

It's important to note that the two is's are said with very different emphasis.

Grammatically, these are merely noun clauses. In other words, the whole clause is acting as a single noun grammatically. "What it is" can usually be replaced simply with "it".

Spanish can do it, too, I'm sure...

Qué es eso?

Lo que es es....

I don't know if they would do that, though.

updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by webdunce
As a side note, I remember a local car commercial in which a lady said, "Calais! What it is! What it is!" to express how amazing the Calais was. It sounded so hokey and unprofessional. I was twelve at the time, but me and my dad both still can say... - webdunce, May 6, 2011
..."What it is! What it is!" and immediately know we're referring to the commercial and we chuckle. We're both grammar nuts...and we're both Southern hicks, too. - webdunce, May 6, 2011
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The thing of it is is that the thing 'the thing is is' is is what the thing 'the thing is is' is was and what the thing 'the thing is is' is will be, things the thing is is are being what things the thing is is are are.

big surprise big surprise big surprise big surprise big surprise big surprise big surprise big surprise big surprise big surprise big surprise

Omg I find this very hard to understand!! The thing is is this expression is very annoying!!

updated Oct 22, 2011
edited by 00b6f46c
posted by 00b6f46c
I think he's saying, "It is what it is" ... L O L :) - pesta, Mar 25, 2011
jajajajajaja - 00b6f46c, Mar 25, 2011
I agree with pesta, it is what it is. : ) - EL_MAG0, Mar 25, 2011
This phrase you've got in the yellow box is supposed to be confusing, lovely. I don't understand it either. I don't understand it at all, but it is a word game. - webdunce, May 6, 2011
Oh my goodness, Lovely! I am truly amazed at how much your English has improved since you first started here. I don't think you could have made such a clever joke way back when! :-) - Gekkosan, May 6, 2011
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Funny this subject should come up. I just heard "the thing that it was, was "on a British comedy program on t.v. But I can't say that I've heard "the thing of it is" before.

updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by teasip
You're right, it's not normal Englsihs. The thing that it was, or is, is fine. - annierats, Oct 22, 2011
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The Bu(r)ffet Song by Rhett and Link has a nice example of "what it is is..." in it.

It's also got a bastardized version of the somewhat vulgar idiom "out the wazoo" (wazoo is a euphemism for anus), which basically means you've had so much of something that you're sick of it...a lady in the video gets the saying wrong and instead says "up the kazoo."

(A kazoo is pictured below.)

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updated May 6, 2011
posted by webdunce
A very colorful expression, and I've heard it frequently too. Both wazoo and kazoo! :) - pesta, May 6, 2011
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Que será,será.

updated Oct 22, 2011
edited by heliotropeman
posted by heliotropeman
será, perhaps? there's a whole other thread somewhere on the real meaning of this one. - pesta, Oct 22, 2011
I'll look for it ,thanks. - heliotropeman, Oct 22, 2011
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The thing of it is is that John didn't want to go out with Mary.

I am basically in agreement with the others, this is not good grammar. A more correct way of saying this would be The thing is, John did't want to go out with Mary.

You can get occasions where the same word occurs twice but usually there is a pause in speech, or a comma in writing, which really helps tp clarify the meaning.

updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by MaryMcc
Quite, I agree too. - annierats, Oct 22, 2011
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Hmm, never heard this before, and trust me, our friend Chris has the weirdest English grammar on the forum! raspberry

I often say: the thing is that...the thing is...

updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by 00494d19
Well said Heidita, I fear you will never make a footballer's wife at this rate however. - annierats, Oct 22, 2011
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According to my sister, who has been an editor for 42 years these frazes are acceptible in spoken language but un acceptible in the written language. She was horrified to find out that it was used in a leagal brief.

updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by Hungerford
phrases, acceptable, unacceptable, legal....maybe you could ask your sister to...... - 0074b507, Oct 22, 2011
Well said, gfreed. Perhaps the sister is better at writing? - annierats, Oct 22, 2011
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I'd say

1) "The thing is....(pause)....John didn't want to go out with Mary.

I have also heard:

2) The thing of it is, (pause) is that John didn't want to go out with Mary.

I prefer #1.

updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by --Mariana--
You just can't say no 2. It's really, really bad English. The thing is, I speak as a foreigner, so I know. - annierats, Oct 22, 2011
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I don't know whether it is correct grammatically, but what I would say is...... "The thing about it is, (pause) John didn't want to go out with Mary"

updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by billygoat
Well said, billy. Correct solution. Who wants to go out with Mary, after all? - annierats, Oct 22, 2011
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Yuk that sounds horrible to me!

I dislike overuse of 'thing', Also, like Ray I've mostly heard "The thing is", not "The thing of it is".

In my opinion (and I'm careful to start my sentence with those 3 words ;P) it's preferable to say "The fact of the matter is", or "The case is" such-and-such.

updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by galsally
Very god, galsally. The thing OF it doen't exist, it is totaly incorrect. I've never heard it. - annierats, Oct 22, 2011
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The double 'is is' is wrong. Only one 'is' is required. The only time a double 'is' would be appropriate would be in

'What it is, is ...'

and even this is clumsy.

updated Oct 22, 2011
posted by TPTW
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It is correct English. There are a number of phrases that have repeated words like "is is", "that that", "had had", etc. that many people strive to avoid because even though they are correct, they sound bad.

As for a legal setting, I'd be less surprised to hear: "Your Honor, I move for a 30 minute recess so my client can be chillin' wid 'iz homeys."

There was a thread over a year ago that showed how to construct a sentence with arbitrarily many "that"s in a row.

link from webdunce

updated Oct 22, 2011
edited by lorenzo9
posted by lorenzo9
http://www.spanishdict.com/answers/113788/how-many-thats-can-you-put-together - webdunce, May 6, 2011
They usually involve a pause in speech, and a comma in writing , which makes the meaning much clearer. - MaryMcc, Oct 22, 2011
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Pesta, I have never heard the "is is" used. Is this a regional convention? I can't believe it is is correct grammar.

updated Mar 25, 2011
posted by 0066c384
You've never heard Clinton's famous line, "It depends on what the definition of 'is' is ... " !!!! - pesta, Mar 25, 2011
I believe "... is is ..." follows all rules of English grammar, but has terrible style. You can diagram the sentence properly. - pesta, Mar 25, 2011
I put a couple of "is's" in the response to brighten your day! :) - 0066c384, Mar 25, 2011
I've been trying to forget about Clinton's "is is" response. :) - 0066c384, Mar 25, 2011
Thanks, dogwood - that worked! Now I can enjoy bad grammar and smile. :) - pesta, Mar 25, 2011
It is used, it is also not ordinary. - pacofinkler, Mar 25, 2011
I only use ot with a comma the important.....is, is..... - EL_MAG0, Mar 25, 2011