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Still working with examples of "a" before a noun/D.O.?

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Context: In my Spanish 101 class workbook the sentence is:

Mi hermanita aprende a bailar.

Question:

In this instance I understand in Spanish "bailar" is a verb, not a noun. So why is the "a" used before "bailar"? Has it got something do with "bailar" being a direct object of the main verb "aprende"?

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updated Mar 8, 2011
posted by bandit51jd
So... "a" is used before Any inifinitive because it follows conjugated "aprender", and has nothing to do with bailar specifically. - pesta, Mar 5, 2011
I think I finally am getting the sense of this, there are some verbs that when conjugated need the "a" regardless of what comes behind that particular verb? So nouns and D.O. is not a consideration at this time? - bandit51jd, Mar 5, 2011

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The "a" is needed because of aprender.

From Spanish for Dummies:

When a Spanish sentence combines a conjugated verb with an infinitive, there are certain verbs that require the preposition a, de, en, or con before the infinitive verb form. Other Spanish verbs are followed immediately by the infinitive and don't require a preposition.

The list of verbs requiring a "a" includes:

aprender

ayudar

correr

ir

salir

venir

The book lists about 25 of these common verbs. I listed only a few, for illustration.

The words requiring "a" before a following infinitive are generally those that express beginning, motion, teaching, or learning.

Example:

No empieza a llorar (Don't start to cry)

updated Mar 7, 2011
edited by pesta
posted by pesta
Asistir - to attend is one of them, right? Thanks, pesta! - bandit51jd, Mar 5, 2011
I'm certain about asistir because it's in my spanish textbook, but what about bailar? - bandit51jd, Mar 5, 2011
can I please delete that last comment!! I think I'm ready to explode from "a"! :) - bandit51jd, Mar 5, 2011
Asistir is not on that list. Also, see my edited post - Asistir is not one of: beginning, motion, teaching, learning. - pesta, Mar 5, 2011
I know what you mean. My head explodes every day :) - pesta, Mar 5, 2011
Pesta, asistir is in my Spanish 101 textbook. So anytime we use asistir the professor wants us to us the "asistir a" form. Oh, and excedrin is supposed to be good for headaches! :) - bandit51jd, Mar 5, 2011
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This is a very revealing discussion. Thanks guys.

updated Mar 8, 2011
posted by Leatha
Keep up your wonderful Spanish efforts. Isn't it nice when the lightbulb of understanding goes off! :) - bandit51jd, Mar 7, 2011
I prefer it to go "on" :) - ian-hill, Mar 7, 2011
Yes, I love it when the light flashes. But I keep looking for something with more "life" than these welcome flashes. - Otravez, Mar 8, 2011
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Pesta. This is another example of the mystery I'm wanting to solve. Do the words in your list of verbs that do require a preposition between them and a following infinitive follow a grammatical "rule" which applies to all of them. If so, I would like to find it. Otherwise, it seems arbitrary and apparently they (words of one type or the other) can only be learned by trial and error and memorization of the specific word(s) which are "given" in some printed sources which present lists of at least some of them. When I see a list of them, similar to what you apparently have, I've not seen any statement or assurance as to whether it is substantially complete, partially complete, or only a sample of some commonly used. As a result I have to look carefully at each new verb - and again at those I don't remember - when I use them to try to determine if they should or should not carry the appropriate preposition. I did see you said those that do are usually indicating motion, beginning, teaching or learning. Did you just notice that fact, or was there some discussion of it in your book?

updated Mar 7, 2011
edited by Otravez
posted by Otravez
Some small discussion, but not more than I've already posted. See my recent post here. - pesta, Mar 7, 2011
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Otravez: I hope you don't mind my two cents worth. As you can tell by my questions many new learners are having difficulty with the "a". When to use it or not to use it alI. With what Pesta is sharing this list is arbitary as far as I can tell. Some books, texts, professors will let a student in on a few at a time. So one forum member suggested any time a new verb and how to use that verb is introduced they update either a flashcard or an excel spreadsheet or whatever works to keep the darn verbs straight. Hope this helps some!

updated Mar 7, 2011
posted by bandit51jd
No, I don't mind your 2 cents worth at all. I give them much higher value than you did. - Otravez, Mar 7, 2011
:) - bandit51jd, Mar 7, 2011
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I found this rather complete page of information:

Linked verbs in Spanish

The rules they summarize are:

Verbs meaning “to begin” and verbs of movement towards someplace or goal are normally followed by a plus an infinitive.

Verbs meaning “to stop” or “to finish” are normally followed by de plus an infinitive.

Modals (e.g., “should”, “can”, “may”) are normally followed by an infinitive with no intervening preposition.

Verbs meaning “to continue” are normally followed by the -ndo form, with no preposition.

You can simply memorize these. There are only a few hundred. big surprise

updated Mar 7, 2011
edited by pesta
posted by pesta
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Not sure this is any help but.........

Some English verbs have to be followed by an infinitive - some don't and some can be followed by either the infintive or the gerund.

Examples

Listen to me - but not - Hear to me

I want to eat pizza

I like to eat pizza OR I like eating pizza

I enjoy eating pizza - normally not - I enjoy to eat pizza.

I know of no list that provides such verb explanations.

updated Mar 7, 2011
posted by ian-hill
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As I copied from the Dummies book,

The words requiring "a" before a following infinitive are generally those that express beginning, motion, teaching, or learning.

The other categories (de, en, or con) were not described by a pattern to indicate their use. Of the common verbs taught in this book, the list requiring "a" was the largest (about 25 verbs), and de's list was smaller, en's list even smaller, and con's list was the shortest. They wrote that you have to memorize these, as there was no rule for them.

They also included a list of verbs that are followed by infinitives without a preposition (for example, querer, ir, etc.).

I don't have the book handy right now, and I don't have handy web links. But I can confirm the bad news: There isn't any better rule than you see here. Sorry :(

updated Mar 7, 2011
posted by pesta
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I have found from the library Barron's Spanish Pronouns & Prepositions by Frank Nuessel, Ph. D. In his discussion about the preposition "a" he talks about the "a" being needed to indicate movement or direction after certain verbs. I think Pesta is saying beginning, teaching, learning can also be an indicator as to when the verb needs the "a".

Corrections to my reasoning is always appreciated.

updated Mar 5, 2011
posted by bandit51jd