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From which situation in the Bible does this sentence come from: 'O my father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me'? Can you give me the context?

Thank you.

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updated Feb 1, 2011
edited by Seb79
posted by johndoe04
Bible:-) - nizhoni1, Jan 24, 2011
Just confirming Jack-O-Brien's answer. That is the correct context, and verse... Hope you found what you were looking for... :) - melton1995, Jan 24, 2011

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NancyLynnFel said

Not trying to be "mean", but "general"questions should still relate to general "Spanish" subjects. Otherwise it becomes a free for all.

Actually, there is no restriction in that regard as to the topic of general discussion posts. In fact, the general discussion section of the forum, from what I can understand, was created with the purpose of being a sort of free for all, and from what I can tell is exactly what gives this site its "family-like" atmosphere. That is it gives members of a larger language learning community to interact and share their own cultural experiences, thoughts, questions and ideas with others.

In terms of "Spanish subjects or nothing," I would also caution that there are many people on this site who also come here to learn English, and we shouldn't try to impose such a "Spanish only" rule as it might very well diminish the possibility for meaningful exchanges between the two different learning groups.

One other problem that I have with such a statement regarding "Spanish subjects" is that it must be realized that learning a language is not just about learning disjointed words, phrases and expressions but to a certain degree also involves learning about the culture, history and way of thinking inherent to a larger group of people. While granted, this forum is probably not the best place to seek out medical advice for pressing medical concerns, the cultural heritages of both Spanish and English speaking societies in general, whether one likes it or not, are indeed deeply intertwined with Judeo-Christian belief systems.

I think that the biggest key factor in what is allowable to discuss is not the actual topic but has more to do with how friendly we as participants can maintain such discussions. I would say that if you find a particular topic irrelevant or unstimulating to your own learning goals then there is no reason for you to read nor much less respond to such threads. More importantly, if you find there to be a dearth of Spanish only questions then you might try posting more of your own devising (just to balance out the equation).

In any case, each person's learning objectives are different, and I wish you the best of luck in attaining your own.

updated Jan 30, 2011
edited by Izanoni1
posted by Izanoni1
Completely agree!! Good job!! - johndoe04, Jan 22, 2011
Excellent response Izanoni... I completeky agree with you. :) - FELIZ77, Jan 22, 2011
Agree, buena respuesta - EL_MAG0, Jan 23, 2011
You replied like a true diplomat. Well done Izanoni1. you have my vote - 0043ad50, Jan 24, 2011
well said Izanoni - scottdoherty, Jan 24, 2011
Totally agree ,it covers it all completely and well. - ray76, Jan 30, 2011
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I'm somewhat puzzled by this particular controversy. What's the big deal? There are lots of threads that I ignore- maybe because I find them uninteresting, or because I don't feel like replying , whatever.

Quite frankly, I find the original question pretty straightforward and simple enough. It didn't have to be controversial. We get plenty of other questions whose answer has nothing to do with English - Spanish, and they don't generate this kind of heat!

The bottom-line is: if it's marked as "General Discussion", and doesn't violate the Forum's rules, anything goes. Don't like? Don't read it! Easier to ignore it than get upset because you dislike or disagree with what someone posted.

updated Jan 30, 2011
edited by Gekkosan
posted by Gekkosan
Estoy en acuerdo, Gekkosan. Estoy cansado de los policias de los apuntos. Relajarse mis amigos. - GaryT, Jan 22, 2011
Agree gekkosan! - pacofinkler, Jan 23, 2011
Tienes razón, Gekko :) - FELIZ77, Jan 23, 2011
Sí, tienes razón, buena respuesta - EL_MAG0, Jan 23, 2011
Great responce Gekko - 0043ad50, Jan 24, 2011
Nice job, Gekkosan! :D - melton1995, Jan 24, 2011
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Matt 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

The 'context' is, Jesus is in the garden of Gethsemane praying, before his crucifixion.

updated Jan 24, 2011
edited by Jack-OBrien
posted by Jack-OBrien
Thank you for a helpful answer!! :) - johndoe04, Jan 22, 2011
Hasta donde yo sé. - pacofinkler, Jan 22, 2011
Nice job with a clear answer. :) - melton1995, Jan 24, 2011
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Am I alone in finding it annoying that a Spanish language site hosts questions ranging from obscure english biblical quotes to emergency medical issues? Come on, people, get with the program. Find yourself a blog or chat room for anything not related. I, for one, would be very grateful.

Wow,big surprise I am sorry to see this post so late...

Nancy, I suggest you find yourself another forum, there is no way I am allowing this kind of remark! mad

I had no idea that you felt you had anything to do with running this site...so , please, do refrain from trying to tell us what we have to do!

updated Jan 30, 2011
posted by 00494d19
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To all it may concern. With great respect intended, people should be free to express their views here in the appropriate channels provided: discussion rather than language threads, without being wrongly accused of 'ramming it down people's throats'

After all, no one is forcing you or anyone else to read or continue reading any thread or comment section they find offensive they are free to move on and read something else that is more to their liking. Unless someone is actually using offensive speech or being obviously nasty there is no reason to get upset by someone expressing a different view from yourself..

In the real world outside of Spanish Dict I, and am sure many others, may come across articles written, dramas on tv or radio snd many other things published they do not agree with, like or find offensive so surely the mature thing is to move on and respect people's right to think differently from ourself.

Just like the language and culture of a country are inseperably and inextricably linked so a true Christian's faith should influence their belief system and views of life which is an holistic approach and is how God intended it to be. so please stop knocking those of us who express our faith-influenced views because you do not have to read or agree with what we say. You should hopefully be secure enough in your own views not to see the expression of our views as being the same as forcing you to agree with us.

On discussion programme in the Uk, like the 'Big Question,' people with varying and widely differing views share them publicly as adults and I have never seen anyone accusing others of ramming it down their throats just because they don't agree with what is being said. So please stop attacking our right to express our views and we will also respect your right to think differently.

updated Feb 1, 2011
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
I wholeheartedly agree with MarshallAmps (above). Just as with real world etiquette, posts regarding "age, religion and political affiliation should remain private. This is for good reason as you can see from how inflammatory this post has become. - NancyGrace, Jan 22, 2011
He didn't say ''private'.....he said 'neutral'. - johndoe04, Jan 22, 2011
You are entitled to your view Nancy but there are many others who would disagree with you - FELIZ77, Jan 24, 2011
Well said Feliz - scottdoherty, Jan 24, 2011
Thanks Scott :) - FELIZ77, Jan 24, 2011
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I'd say that they shouldn't try to ram religious beliefs down people's throats....

Since when does asking for clarification constitute "ramming religion down somebody's throat"?

updated Jan 24, 2011
edited by Maria-Russell
posted by Maria-Russell
I don't mean this thread...but there are some threads in which people do tend to place a heavy emphasis on their religion. I do not wish to argue or to be a critic of religion as I'm religious myself...but this is simply my opinion and humble - Seb79, Jan 22, 2011
...observation. All I ask is for you to respect it....even if you don't agree. Thanks!!!! - Seb79, Jan 22, 2011
:) - Seb79, Jan 22, 2011
Asking for the context of a Biblical quote when you already have the chapter and verse seems more like a declaration that Christianity isn't your religion. - lorenzo9, Jan 22, 2011
And that particular reply that I placed in my post, wasn't an example of 'ramming religion down people's throats', I believe it was a good reply. If a person asks a question, they should be prepared for a multitude of answers, religious or otherwise. - Seb79, Jan 22, 2011
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'Not trying to be "mean", but "general"questions should still relate to general "Spanish" subjects. Otherwise it becomes a free for all.'

Well Nancy, I'm sorry to say that even in the General section, there have been posts related to all sorts of things: bullying, philosophical topics and more. Not that I'm siding with either you or John on this one...and even on a language topic (why does the world have different languages), there was this reply:

The Bible is the only place I've found a satisfactory answer to that one - during the first 17 centuries or so of mankind's existence there was just one language Genesis: 11:1 but because contrary to the Creator's instructions of 'filling the earth and cultivating it' Genesis 1:28 rebellious humans gathered at what later came to be called the city of Babel (Confusion). There they began to build a tower to 'make a celebrated name for themselves' - for that reason the Creator purposely confused the language of the people causing them to speak various tongues so that they couldn't communicate and thus they scattered all over the earth. Genesis 11:6-9

-Which is ok and an adequate enough answer, as it gives us that particular individual's opinion. I think on this website, at times there is a real and serious issue with people and religion (although again, I'm not being critical of you Nancy or Gocika, or anyone else who doesn't agree with religion...I mean, I don't agree with Christianity either!!), and that results in clashes which do nothing to help us all as people and as learners.

And to the people who believe firmly in their religion, I'd say that they shouldn't try to ram religious beliefs down people's throats....as that often results in more annoyance, and an even larger divide between us as Spanishdcit users. We're all here to help each other....that is what any community should try and do.

Johndoe04...I'd recommend (and remember...I don't mean to offend you!!) that you search properly on Google for next time or any other search engine before coming to this forum, with this kind of question.

People....please....we come from different aspects and stages of life, all here to try and learn a new language or to try and remaster a forgotten language.

So let's try to be constructive.

wink

updated Jan 24, 2011
posted by Seb79
Sorry...'spanishdict'. - Seb79, Jan 22, 2011
A good one, Seb. - Gocika, Jan 22, 2011
Thanks...much appreciated ;) I just don't see the need for more 'aggro' in life.... - Seb79, Jan 22, 2011
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Perhaps we all need to calm down. This question is being blown out of proportion.

updated Jan 24, 2011
edited by Seb79
posted by Seb79
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This is from Matthew 26 if you would like to read the whole chapter to understand the context.

www.biblegateway.com is a Great site if you have questions, you can type in a phrase and it will tell you where it comes from. You can choose different versions of the Bible to search, I knew that was in the King James Version so I searched the KJV put in... let this cup pass, and the site gave me Matthew 26:39 showed the verse and boldfaced the words I had typed in to find it.

I use the site a lot because I lead the Scripture memorization program in our Hispanic church. I know the verses in English that I want us to memorize then I look them up at Biblegateway in the spanish version and we learn them at my Hispanic church.

Another great site if you are wanting to memorize scripture is memverse.com.

Hugs Sharon

updated Jan 24, 2011
posted by Sharon-Cash
Good answer. - johndoe04, Jan 22, 2011
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And to the people who believe firmly in their religion, I'd say that they shouldn't try to ram religious beliefs down people's throats..

Seb, I am not allowing these kind of remarks either. mad

I never express my beliefs, why do you have to make such a rude remark about religion?

updated Jan 30, 2011
posted by 00494d19
Thank You Heidi :) - FELIZ77, Jan 25, 2011
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Everyone just get over it! It was a good question without an underlying motive. We are beyond the petty little squabbles you see on other forums. That's what makes the people here on Spanishdict so incredible, smart, and a joy to interact with. OK, now I need a hug red face


Hope you don't mind the intrusive edit, but you asked for it, and I endeavor to deliver! wink

-Gekkosan

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updated Jan 24, 2011
edited by Gekkosan
posted by 0043ad50
**Hug** - lorenzo9, Jan 24, 2011
Hug and a vote for you my dear Marshall. When I made the original comment, I really was unaware the forum was open to any kind of question -- not just Spanish. Otherwise I would have ignored it as some had suggested. I have already privately apologized to - NancyGrace, Jan 24, 2011
Hedita and hope to be forgiven and we can all move on. - NancyGrace, Jan 24, 2011
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Am I alone in finding it annoying that a Spanish language site hosts questions ranging from obscure english biblical quotes to emergency medical issues? Come on, people, get with the program. Find yourself a blog or chat room for anything not related. I, for one, would be very grateful.

updated Jan 22, 2011
posted by NancyGrace
:~) :~) But how do you really feel? :~) :~) - Jack-OBrien, Jan 22, 2011
I'm just asking a question...because this quote is relevant for me to explore as part of my English essay. I sometimes find it very frustrating that people often do not try and help...but try and make a joke out of a simple question. Why do we have a - johndoe04, Jan 22, 2011
General Discussions section if people cannot ask questions unrelated to Spanish? I believe that we should try and help those who ask questions by being friendly to them... - johndoe04, Jan 22, 2011
So, if you find the concept of religion, particularly frustrating or answering a question related to it, then why bother to answer it in an unhelpful manner? - johndoe04, Jan 22, 2011
We should be more tolerable towards others. - johndoe04, Jan 22, 2011
I'm not cheating on a H/W assignment!! I just need to know the context...the quote isn't a major part of my essay, and I'm not being asked about its context....I've just selected this quote from captain corelli's mandolin...to highlight a viewpoint about - johndoe04, Jan 22, 2011
a character. - johndoe04, Jan 22, 2011
I would venture to guess "general" referred to general Spanish related issues. My comment was not a joke. This is the wrong forum for your question.. - NancyGrace, Jan 22, 2011
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Perhaps we all need to calm down. This question is being blown out of proportion.

Lets not fall on our faces grin

updated Jan 30, 2011
posted by lagartijaverde
Perhaps because it has struck a chord. Not trying to be "mean", but "general"questions should still relate to general "Spanish" subjects. Otherwise it becomes a free for all. - NancyGrace, Jan 22, 2011
Funny!!! :) I'm voting you up....scottie!! :) - Seb79, Jan 22, 2011
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I agree that getting away from the subject of language can be a distraction if it is abused. On the other hand, every sentence has to be about something, and hopefully we can make things interesting. So, it seems to me the question is how to get the right balance.

updated Jan 30, 2011
posted by Maria-Russell
You've hit the nail on the head!! Getting the right balance is essential...... - Seb79, Jan 22, 2011
thanks marian - 00494d19, Jan 24, 2011
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Seb, I am not allowing these kind of remarks either. I never express my beliefs, why do you have to make such a rude remark about religion?

When I said that, what I meant was that often people do place heavy emphasis on religion. I'm religious myself although I do not adhere to Christianity, but sometimes (and this is true to an extent, from my own meandering, humble experience) people generally automatically switch off and do no not appreciate when others go on about their religion. Maybe what I said about 'ramming down people's throats' was extreme....in fact I acknowledge that it was as it caused a degree of offence to you and others, but I was simply voicing my opinion. I was wrong to say what I said in that extreme way, and I'm sorry to you and others. I think we should respect each others beliefs, from whichever religion we come from.

To you Heidita, and to anyone else I have offended.....please accept my apologies.

updated Jan 30, 2011
edited by Seb79
posted by Seb79
To be fair Seb, stating simple opinion as absolute fact is a very forceful thing to do, allowing no scope for any kind of meaningful discussion nor change of said opinion. This happens often when people talk of their religious beliefs... - afowen, Jan 24, 2011
And when this is the case I can't see why your expression might be seen as offensive, I can though see why some people might TAKE offence but suggest that that lies with them and not with you... - afowen, Jan 24, 2011
You are a good friend of this site, seb, so let's just move on, thanks for posting:) - 00494d19, Jan 24, 2011