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Why does the world have different languages?

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I know that it's probably a dumb question and I'm probably a bit of a dunce for asking this....but I'm wondering why we are all divided with respect to language? I thought I'd ask this here, as this is a language site.

Any ideas?

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updated Feb 28, 2011
posted by Seb79
...and I'd appreciate opinions. Wikipedia articles are not my 'cup of tea'. - Seb79, Jan 19, 2011
I'm just holding my breath, waiting for the religion-related answers. - Gekkosan, Jan 19, 2011
you may now breathe again lol - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
You now have them Gekkosan!. :-) - pacofinkler, Jan 19, 2011
Thank you! Much more interesting now! :-) - Gekkosan, Jan 20, 2011
I thought that this was a language site, too. After reading a couple of answers, I'm automatically leaving this thread. - cogumela, Jan 21, 2011

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The Bible is the only place I've found a satisfactory answer to that one - during the first 17 centuries or so of mankind's existence there was just one language Genesis: 11:1 but because contrary to the Creator's instructions of 'filling the earth and cultivating it' Genesis 1:28 rebellious humans gathered at what later came to be called the city of Babel (Confusion). There they began to build a tower to 'make a celebrated name for themselves' - for that reason the Creator purposely confused the language of the people causing them to speak various tongues so that they couldn't communicate and thus they scattered all over the earth. Genesis 11:6-9

updated Feb 28, 2011
posted by Kiwi-Girl
This is what I believe. - webdunce, Jan 19, 2011
Of course, I would, along with that, believe that the modern, widely-spoken languages are the results of population isolations or mixings that have occurred since that fateful day. - webdunce, Jan 19, 2011
absolutely - it goes on around us constantly - my husband recently invented the word 'profesoro' I'm sure that'll be absorbed into the Spanish language before long :) - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
Oh, I'm so sorry. This is not what happened, though, historically. Noone has the whole insight, as far as I know. But you can let this one go. - Vikingo, Jan 19, 2011
You sound so definite that that's not the way it happened, especially as you mention there's nothing to prove that it didn't happen the way the Bible explains. - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
It claims, it doesn't explain anything. Now that Lazaruses post has taken over a bit, I'll leave it there. But please remember where the onus lies, when someone claims something that doesn't make sense. - Vikingo, Jan 19, 2011
You can't claim that that it just ISN'T what happened, Vikingo, they said that's what they BELIEVE, don't be a douche. - RommpinCrab, Jan 19, 2011
hehe, Rommpin, I can and I did, and anyone of us who has an undestanding of how the world works, how people moved around etc., would understand why that is. Name-calling loses the game, but lucky for you there's no game to begin with. - Vikingo, Jan 19, 2011
We didn't assert that French and Spanish were created at the tower of Babel event. You, however, did assert, "This is not what happened," which claim I doubt is even provable. - webdunce, Jan 19, 2011
Everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion and I'm sure our aim here is to share ideas not argue points but I was interested because according to Viki's original comment "no-one has the whole insight" yet he seems so sure the Bible's insight is - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
unequivocably wrong? Just seemed a bit of an enigma to me. - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
Your 100% correct Kiwi girl. You are basing your view on the only objective truth that there is, the Bible - scottdoherty, Jan 20, 2011
Did you mix up "objective" with "subjective there Scott? - ian-hill, Jan 20, 2011
I didn't, I said objective and mean it. - scottdoherty, Jan 20, 2011
Not even reading the comments above... I agree and immediately thought of this story when I saw this question. Man wanted to build a tower to reach heaven lol... we're funny creatures sometimes. - DJ_Huero, Feb 28, 2011
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The Bible is the only place I've found a satisfactory answer to that one - during the first 17 centuries or so of mankind's existence there was just one language

My first degree (before turning to linguistics) is in physics, and much of what I learnt and tested in the lab points to the fact that the world is millions of years old, at least. This is what radioactive decay suggests. The only way to refute this is to say that either exponentials and logarithms are all rubbish (and therefore buildings, airplanes, mobile phones, water ducts, cars, traffic lights and many other technologies that depend on this are miracles, since the maths they are based on is random theories), or the world was created with all average radioactive disintegration processes deceptively showing a fake picture that resembles a world that has existed for millions of years, just to mislead scientists and prove how powerful God really is, taking the mickey out of them. I find it hard to believe that God created the world trying to deceive a small group of people who will live in a distant future, believing in logic and evidence, by ensuring that all experimental scientific evidence disproves what appears to make sense, only so we resort to him/her/it. If we don't believe in science, let's go back to the Middle ages, and let's live in huts, eating whatever we can get our hands on. Believing that the world is only a few centuries old and believing in this scientific evidence (that I have tested myself first hand) are incompatible ideas, which means that God wants to either confuse us, to divide us, or to make us fight to one another. And at the same time, the God of the Muslims (the fastest growing religion in the world) seems to be telling them that we are the enemy. Does anyone have a God does doesn't lie to us or tries to not to make us all fight?

Sorry about my rant, but while I don't have any problem with people believing in their own gods, I have a problem accepting that the world is thousands of times younger than my laboratory experiments tells me it is. Petroleum and diamonds can be explained if you assume that geological processes have been going on for a long time, fossils can be explained if you assume that there has been an evolution for millions of years, and radioactive sampling works so precisely in any calculation since radioactive was discovered, that there is no reason not to believe it. Common medical treatments (especially cancer) are based on radioactive decay, nuclear plants are based on this theory too; many modern applications take it for granted. How come it doesn't work as soon as we hit the "magic" date mentioned in the scriptures? Maybe someone misunderstood them? My logic tells me that such statement makes no sense. I won't argue about the rest, since it is more a matter of faith than anything else. Similarly, I won't believe anyone who tells me that my daughter is not here, because I have seen her before; I see her all the time. It doesn't make sense.

But going back to languages, I have read many books about this topic, and I am currently reading more.There are thousands of theories, and the most unifying ones (one non-religious that believe that all languages have a common ancestor) have little proof of it. You get a good picture if you study just one language over a period of one or two millennia. You get to see changes in grammar, in pronunciation, in vocabulary... but specially -and this is very interesting- in meaning. English can be hardly recognized in the 14th-15th century, and it looks like "Swahili" in the 12-13th century. Go back in time and you keep learning a different language every few centuries. And go back many millennia, and you can unify dozens of languages in what we call Indo-European languages; all reconstructed using rules that explain how a set of words and rules could be "distorted" into different languages that don't seem to bear any resemblance. The beauty of these theories is that they explain rather accurately most of the changes in most of the languages, so it is either another "magical" coincidence, or Indo-European languages have a common ancestor. Study these languages and you'll see how different they can be, and you will never wonder how can languages be so different. Non Indo-European languages don't even seem to share features with our languages. Go figure!

Archaeological and linguistic evidence shows no connection between the languages spoken in the Old Testament (Aramaic and Biblical Hebrew), with Aramaic being the language of Jesus Christ (the name given by the Greeks), while these languages are intimately related to modern Arabic in morphology, syntax, phonetics and lexicon. Reading the Old Testament one can't help but thinking that maybe God's word have to do with those who speak these languages (i.e. not English). I rather don't mix religion with linguistics, anthropology and science.

Anyway, talking about the Bible, I though some people might be interesting in The Lord's Prayers in Middle and Old English:

Late 9th century: Þ? ?re fæder, þe eart on heofonum, s?e þ?n nama geh?lgod. Cume þ?n r?ce. S?e þ?n wylla on eorþan sw? sw? on heofonum. Syle ?s t?dæg ?rne dæghw?mlican hl?f. And forgief ?s ?re gyltas sw? sw? þ? forgiefaþ þæ¯m þe wiþ ?s ?gyltaþ. And ne læ¯d þ? n? ?s on costnunge, ac ?l?es ?s fram yfele.

Late 15th century: Oure fadir, þat art in heuenys, halewid be þi name. Þi kingdom come to. Be þi wile don ase in heuene and in erþe. ?iue to us þis day oure breed ouer oþer substaunse. And for?iue to us oure dettes, as and we for?iuen to oure dettouris. And leede us not into temptaciouns, but delyuere vs from yuel.

updated Feb 28, 2011
posted by lazarus1907
Just a small correction I'd rather not mix religious with... - BellaMargarita, Jan 19, 2011
But Laz - we weren't discussing the age of the earth, I think the Bible totally fits with science and many 'creationists' forget to read the first verse of Genesis - in the beginning God made the heavens and the earth - this allows for an indefinite - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
period of time for the universe including our planet to be in existence before the 'creative days began. Which by the way also can't be as some suggest actual 24 hour days, just like 'my grandmother's day' wasn't a 24 hour period. The term day would - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
just mean a considerable length of time. My understanding is that our planet could well be even billions of years old. - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
I probably misunderstood you then. Don't take me seriously. I've had a very bad day. - lazarus1907, Jan 19, 2011
Just look at the The Lord's Prayers in Old English, hehe. - lazarus1907, Jan 19, 2011
Good rant :) Cheers, Lazarus - Vikingo, Jan 19, 2011
No problem - I hope your day improves :) - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
Just another point regarding the age of the universe, it must be billions of years old because aren't there galaxies that can be seen which are as far away as 10 billion light years, so taking into account the speed of light if it's reaching us Earth has - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
to be at least 10 billion years old! - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
He who creates light is not bound by the laws of light. The "age" of rocks cannot be measured like you can measure a stick with a ruler. You are depending on assumptions (e.g., like the starting ratios of the uranium/lead in the sample) - webdunce, Jan 19, 2011
I believe Noah's Flood is the cause of the fossils. Fossilization requires rapid burial, yet evolutionary dogmas have the layers forming fractions of an inch per year. - webdunce, Jan 19, 2011
Absolutely mindblowing! Where can I read your thesis, Dr.Sc. Dunce? Is it peer reviewed? - Vikingo, Jan 19, 2011
Sorry Laz but you are starting with the wrong presupposition which is why you believe what you belive. It certainly isnt' science. - scottdoherty, Jan 20, 2011
Lazarus is speaking clearly about the development of language,I stand firmly in his court on this!. - pacofinkler, Jan 20, 2011
Laz was talking about the age of the earth in his rant - scottdoherty, Jan 20, 2011
the earth could not be millions of yrs old scientifically b/c the sun loses about 2 feet in diameter every hour and if it were millions of yrs old it would have been so big that the earth would have burned! - lili5, Jan 20, 2011
I'm not sure that's quite right because isn't the sun is so big and its core so dense that it takes millions of years for the energy produced within the core to well up to the surface. - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 20, 2011
I may not agree with all that you say , but I shall fight to the death for your right to say it. - ray76, Jan 21, 2011
I believe in the Biblical account of creation. Yes, a literal 7-DAY creation. - lili5, Jan 21, 2011
lol Ray :) - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 21, 2011
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The work of Noam Chomsky would likely be a good reference for your question. Languages develop, synthesize, and some die or fall into disuse. Esperanto was an attempt to universalize languages.

updated Feb 28, 2011
edited by pacofinkler
posted by pacofinkler
Duly noted. I'll look up Chomsky. - Seb79, Jan 19, 2011
Finally, an objective, substantial, helpful answer. - LuisaGomezBartle, Jan 19, 2011
Excellent response. Linguistics is a key area to look into. - lagartijaverde, Jan 20, 2011
Chomsky rules! ;) - Gocika, Feb 28, 2011
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Just to lighten the mood....Could there be more than one Tower of Babel.?

the tower of babel Pictures, Images and Photos

After a few beers the babbling really begins!

As far as the origin of languages goes, I don't think any theory can be proved or disproved...there are simply too many variables.

For those who are interested, here is a link to some other debunked theories. 95link text95

updated Feb 28, 2011
edited by Brynleigh
posted by Brynleigh
Hehehehe! oh so true!. - pacofinkler, Jan 20, 2011
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Here we go again.

With the Bible as with statistics you can assert (prove) whatever you want.

The many languages just prove that there is more than one way "to skin a cat"

There is only one universal language "body language" and even that can get one into trouble.

updated Feb 28, 2011
edited by DJ_Huero
posted by ian-hill
prove - scottdoherty, Jan 20, 2011
yep Scott - English spelling eh! - ian-hill, Jan 21, 2011
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....but I'm wondering why we are all divided with respect to language?

Do you mean "divided in terms of how we perceive other languages"? If you are asking why languages are divided, there is not even evidence that there ever was a common language anyway.

updated Jan 24, 2011
posted by lazarus1907
Based on the Bible's account of Babel there wouldn't be transitional evidence as it wasn't an evolutionary change but a sudden one new vocabularies, a change of thought patterns and new grammars. - Kiwi-Girl, Jan 19, 2011
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My first degree (before turning to linguistics) is in physics, and much of what I learnt and tested in the lab points to the fact that the world is millions of years old, at least. This is what radioactive decay suggests

Here are some facts:

We know that radioisotope dating does not always work because we can test it on rocks of known age. In 1997, a team of eight research scientists known as the RATE group (Radioisotopes and the Age of The Earth) set out to investigate the assumptions commonly made in standard radioisotope dating practices (also referred to as single-sample radioisotope dating). Their findings were significant and directly impact the evolutionary dates of millions of years.3

A rock sample from the newly formed 1986 lava dome from Mount St. Helens was dated using Potassium-Argon dating. The newly formed rock gave ages for the different minerals in it of between 0.5 and 2.8 million years.4 These dates show that significant argon (daughter element) was present when the rock solidified (assumption 1 is false).

Mount Ngauruhoe is located on the North Island of New Zealand and is one of the country’s most active volcanoes. Eleven samples were taken from solidified lava and dated. These rocks are known to have formed from eruptions in 1949, 1954, and 1975. The rock samples were sent to a respected commercial laboratory (Geochron Laboratories in Cambridge, Massachusetts). The “ages” of the rocks ranged from 0.27 to 3.5 million years old.5 Because these rocks are known to be less than 70 years old, it is apparent that assumption #1 is again false. When radioisotope dating fails to give accurate dates on rocks of known age, why should we trust it for rocks of unknown age? In each case the ages of the rocks were greatly inflated.

updated Jan 21, 2011
posted by scottdoherty
Is radioisotope dating not inaccurate past 1945 because of the use of nuclear weapons or is that just carbon dating? - Redemptive, Jan 20, 2011
Wrong - the "new" rocks tested were made from material that was much older. - ian-hill, Jan 20, 2011
Unless you believe in the "spontaneous" creation of new material. - ian-hill, Jan 20, 2011
Do we need to argue about how rocks are formed now? - scottdoherty, Jan 20, 2011
Naw. God made them! Probably around the time that He said: "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear."... - Gekkosan, Jan 20, 2011
..Oh wait, no - that's not right. The rocks where created by Odín, Vile and Ve out of the molars of the Giant Ymir whom they killed. Sorry about the confusion. - Gekkosan, Jan 20, 2011
They used Ymir's front teeth to make the cliffs, you know. Didn't let the nasty big bully go to waste, thankfully. Good Greens, the old Norse gods. - Gekkosan, Jan 20, 2011
Gekko, thanks for adding some perspective. - LuisaGomezBartle, Jan 20, 2011
Sarcastic, funny, ignorant - scottdoherty, Jan 20, 2011
No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver. ¿No es la soberbia el peor de los pecados? - LuisaGomezBartle, Jan 20, 2011
I don't know about the worst, but pride is the root of all sin. - scottdoherty, Jan 20, 2011
I like studying all religions: "In almost every list Pride (Latin, superbia), or hubris, is considered the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins, and the source of the others. .." - LuisaGomezBartle, Jan 20, 2011
I don't mind being called a heathen, or even blasphemous. But "ignorant"? For knowing about more than one creationist myth? I thought that ignorance meant *lack* of knowledge. - Gekkosan, Jan 20, 2011
Gekko: Ellos mismos demuestran su ignorancia al usar palabras que ni entienden, creyendo ciegamente y sin entender lo que defienden a capa y espada. - LuisaGomezBartle, Jan 20, 2011
@Ian, actually, radiometric dating methods are based on the idea that when rock becomes molten and then resolidifies, the "clock" is reset. Thus most ages are meant to mean how long ago the rock last solidified, not how old the actual rock materials are. - webdunce, Jan 20, 2011
To put it another way, the materials composing the rocks would necessarily be as old as the earth itself. So, if it were the materials composing the rocks that radiometric dating was dating, then all rocks would date as being the same age. - webdunce, Jan 20, 2011
Also not well known is that, usually, fossils and the sedimentary rock layers that contain them are not dated directly, but rather nearby igneous rock formations are "dated" and the fossils and sedimentary rocks are then assumed to be the same "age." - webdunce, Jan 20, 2011
Also, scott refers to "assumption 1." That is the assumption that all argon is released during the melting-solidification of the igneous rock. With that assumption made, another assumption is then able to be made, namely that the igneous rock had... - webdunce, Jan 21, 2011
…no argon upon solidification & that all argon in them must necessarily be a result of decay of the parent potassium isotope. These experiments seem to indicate this fundamental assumption, upon which all potassium-argon "dates" rely, is simply wrong. - webdunce, Jan 21, 2011
The (assumed) release of all argon during a melting-solidification event is an example of "resetting the clock"; for now the rock (supposedly) contains only parent potassium-40 and any argon found later would (supposedly) be 100% daughter product of... - webdunce, Jan 21, 2011
...the original potassium isotope. Argon was in the recent lava samples, indicating either (a) not all argon escapes during molten state, (b) argon easily enters the rock after solidification, or (c) the half-life of potassium is wrong or not constant. - webdunce, Jan 21, 2011
I don't think I originally set out to write an essay in the comments! - webdunce, Jan 21, 2011
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I think it has to do with groups of people developing separately from each other. At the time in history that language was developing, relatively small geographical features divided humans into small groups. Their only concern was to communicate among themselves.

Then at various times in history, powerful forces swept up broad areas, imposinging their language over the local languages. From that we see the "romance" languages derived from Latin but each with their own flavor, so to speak. The Spanish invaded Mexico, Central, and South America, wiping out some local languages just as the British did in the US and Canada and the French did in other parts of the world.

The same thing happened in China as one powerful group overran regions and the militart brought their language and their government. It's an old story, oft repeated.

I don't believe there was ever only one language spoken by a large percentage of the population.

updated Jan 21, 2011
edited by Leatha
posted by Leatha
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As an opinion that is not based on researched fact:

Younger generations like to invent ways of speaking that are difficult for their elders to understand and so are constantly trying to shift the language- and unless regions are in close contact, the languages drift apart.

Groups of humans are insular, and like to have complicated language patterns that are difficult to learn so they can instantly tell who is an outsider by their speech.

I am not suggesting that these are conscious decisions.

Currently this drift is being resisted by written media that preserve old speech patterns because of the value of being able to access that information.

As an aside- it is interesting that there is more mutual intelligibility between some languages that are considered to be different languages than within some languages that are considered to be the same.

updated Jan 21, 2011
edited by Stadt
posted by Stadt
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Why not? Language is culture and vice versa. Wouldn't this be a boring world if there were just 1 language?

updated Jan 21, 2011
posted by 005faa61
Absolutely Julian!. - pacofinkler, Jan 19, 2011
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From Wikipedia:

In remote time an old woman, named Wurruri lived towards the east and generally walked with a large stick in her hand, to scatter the fires around which others were sleeping, Wurruri at length died. Greatly delighted at this circumstance, they sent messengers in all directions to give notice of her death; men, women and children came, not to lament, but to show their joy. The Raminjerar were the first who fell upon the corpse and began eating the flesh, and immediately began to speak intelligibly. The other tribes to the eastward arriving later, ate the contents of the intestines, which caused them to speak a language slightly different. The northern tribes came last and devoured the intestines and all that remained, and immediately spoke a language differing still more from that of the Raminjerar.

Makes sense to me.

updated Jan 20, 2011
posted by Gekkosan
No wurruris sport. - lagartijaverde, Jan 20, 2011
Being a Gekko - maybe it should / could :) - ian-hill, Jan 20, 2011
Brilliant!!! Makes sense to me too :) - LuisaGomezBartle, Jan 20, 2011
Just when I thought this was going to devolve into the usual 2 sided, neither side with any chance of convincing the other, argument, a fresh perspective! - Stadt, Jan 20, 2011
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'Then at various times in history, powerful forces swept up broad areas, imposing their language over the local languages.'

Why are we as human beings so bent on destroying and ruling over cultures?

updated Apr 6, 2012
posted by johndoe04
Because we are made in God's image, of course. - samdie, Jan 20, 2011
Are you sure you never evolved samdie - scottdoherty, Jan 20, 2011
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I saw a great lecture series on the origin of languages a couple of years ago, unfortunately I didn't watch all of it before I returned it.

However, it spoke in great lengths about the different factors involved when languages develop, and also presented some of the findings and arguments for and against a "first language". If you're interested, here it is.

The tracing of our european languages back to it's indo-european roots that Lazarus spoke of was also treated in detail, and with interesting implications.

Good luck smile

updated Jan 20, 2011
posted by Vikingo
I have read "The Power of Babel" and listened to one of Dr. McWhorter's lectures- he is quite good, although the lecture was little more superficial than I wanted at the time. - Stadt, Jan 20, 2011
I think Joseph Greenberg and Merritt Ruhlen make good reading if you favor an approach that does bring all languages back together. - Stadt, Jan 20, 2011
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Well I believe that people in the past wanted to build a big tower in a town and they decided to live there, but God didn't want that because he wanted the people to see the rest of the world, so he made them talk in different languages and when that happened they dispersed!

I haven't read the answers on the question, but this is what I believe in, the story might not be specific because I don't actually remember it, but it was written in the Bible.

updated Jan 20, 2011
posted by 00b6f46c
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God chose for creation to spread and multiply. He chose mankind to have many languages.

updated Jan 20, 2011
posted by johndoe04
So, something of a polyglot that god guy? - lagartijaverde, Jan 20, 2011