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preterit vs progressive or what?!?

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I was asked what my profession is. I responded: "Estoy jubilado. Cuando trabajé, era programadora de computadoras e instalé los sistemas operativos....". However, I was told that "trabajaba" is correct rather than "trabajé" and "instalaba" instead of "instalé". Now, in English, I would have said, "When I worked ... I installed ....", or if I wanted to use a progressive tense, "When I was working ... I was installing ....", and definitely indicated that was PAST and not current or future ....? Is the naked progressive okay, or was my listener being careless/casual? thanx mutch.

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updated Apr 9, 2012
posted by Lector_Constante
Welcome to the forum, :) - 00494d19, Dec 27, 2010
An excellent question! - 0066c384, Dec 27, 2010

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Hi readersmile

You should have said jubilada , you are a woman wink

However, try to remember, whenever you can say" I used to" it must be imperfecto:

you could substitute:

I worked and installed...for " When I used to work I used to install.....

Cuando trabajaba, instalaba....

This would not be usual, but could be done, unlike here:

Yesterday I called my mother. the used to form would not be possible, so it is past simple in Spanish too.

updated Dec 27, 2010
posted by 00494d19
good catch on gender! - AngelinaG, Dec 27, 2010
Does the "cuando" make the difference? - Lector_Constante, Dec 27, 2010
Not the "cuando" but that you did it (whatever) habitually. - samdie, Dec 27, 2010
Not habitual - seldom & significant event. progressive sounds like all the time, it was not like that. - Lector_Constante, Dec 27, 2010
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Its ok to talk about the past using preterite if you think about the act as a singular event but since you 'used to work' as a programmer, this would probably indicate an ongoing action that is best described by the imperfect. The progressive in the past is used only to identify a time period when something else happened. For example, "se me cayó el teclado cuando estaba instalando el programa" Here, installing the program indicates when the keyboard fell. Hope this helps

updated Jan 9, 2011
posted by AngelinaG
I would not use "used to" or habitual to describe these actions. - Lector_Constante, Dec 27, 2010
The key word here is "singular," & that's when you should use the preterite. - Deanski, Jan 9, 2011
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As Heidi said 'used to' is a good indicator for the imperfect but also if you can add 'was' or 'were' plus the verb, and keep the intended meaning, that also can be a good indication to use the imperfect.

eg - when I 'was' working = imp

updated Dec 27, 2010
posted by Kiwi-Girl
Aha! My feeling is that "was installing" (in English) is wrong - so maybe this is somewhere in between? - Lector_Constante, Dec 27, 2010
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I may be wrong but 'trabajaba' and 'instalaba' are in the imperfect tense so they convey the meaning you want (I was working and was installing ) ..I think.

updated Dec 27, 2010
posted by sv2qp
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delete-already answered several times over.

Were you past actions habitual in nature or relating to a single, completed action in the past?

True, was working in English, evokes more of a ongoing in the past (progressive) sense, but Spanish also uses the preterite/imperfect for habitual/non-habitual differention as well as momentary/ongoing in the past.

That is why there are not clear cut rules saying that if you use the "ed" form of the past in English you always use the preterite, and if you use the was+present participle form of the Engllish past then you always use the imperfect.

updated Dec 27, 2010
edited by 0074b507
posted by 0074b507
Hence my confusion - consider "when I worked, I invented ..." singular, no? - Lector_Constante, Dec 27, 2010
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The real issue here is one that will give you pause for quite a while to come..the difference between preterit and imperfect past tenses. The good news is everyone you talk to will still know what you want to say like 95% of the time even if you use preterit instead of imperfect, so no worries.

Really, preterit here just 'sounds' wrong.

To really analyze it, I suppose the 'real' reason would be that when you're saying something you used to habitually do in the past, this necessitates the imperfect tense.

If you're a professional killer, a hired gun that's killed many people and did it a lot, you could say - mataba para ganarme la vida. (imperfect)

If you killed a certain person, to express that, you would say for example - maté a John. (preterit)

Preterit past tense is for completed, concise, actions. I know that could be confusing because you might think..well, I don't work anymore, so that's completed because I don't work anymore. I know, no one said it was going to be easy!

And again, don't worry, you'll still be understood. I've heard many good speakers of spanish as a second language that still make 'ser'/'estar' errors and 'pret/imperfect' errors.

-Charlius-

updated Dec 27, 2010
posted by Charlius
hi charlie, happy christmas!!! - 00494d19, Dec 27, 2010
Haha, you too Heidi..by the way, it's Merry Christmas! - Charlius, Dec 27, 2010
Yes! Installing O.S. was like assasination - Lector_Constante, Dec 27, 2010
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I have concluded that the most accurate phrasing would require the imperfect to indicate the time frame (when I was working = cuando trabajaba) and preterit to indicate the installations (I /sometimes, not usually or often/ installed = instalé los ...). Is such a thing acceptable?? thanx much! tongue laugh

updated Jan 9, 2011
posted by Lector_Constante