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Are we all selfish?

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Are we all selfish? What I mean to say if you find my initial question ambiguous, is, is man selfish? This question has been got me thinking for quite a while now, I don't think I can find any example where we are not selfish. Here's one example that I've thought of:

1) We want the best for our children, but is that because we want to feel that good feeling inside us when for example we buy them a gift, and they feel happy, don't we feel happy and cherish that feeling, encouraging us to carry on trying to do the best for them?

Let's make this a broader learning experience....please try to voice your opinion in Spanish, with an English translation. This way, we'll all be learning and this thread will have an element of Spanish in it!!

Thanks. smile

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updated Dec 28, 2010
edited by Seb79
posted by Seb79
Maybe you should be using another adjective Seb - and feel better about things :) - ian-hill, Dec 23, 2010
Maybe...but I think I'll stick to 'selfish' for now and move up gradually. ;) - Seb79, Dec 23, 2010
Tthank you for starting a good chain of thought , Merry Christmas to you. - ray76, Dec 24, 2010
No problem...and to you. Have you been watching the Ashes lately? - Seb79, Dec 24, 2010

29 Answers

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I am extremely generous. Whenever I make plans, or I receive any sort of windfall, I make sure that my good fortune always includes I, Me, and Myself.

I work very hard and disinterestedly on SpanishDisct, and all I ask in return is a little bit of adoration, recognition, glory, and some nice gals to stroke my belly while I lie on the warm sun. I am sure that given the benefits of being acquainted with me, this is all very minor stuff, a very tiny return for my huge magnanimity.

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Yo soy extremadamente generoso. Cada vez que hago planes, o recibo algún beneficio, me aseguro de que mi buena fortuna siempre nos incluya a yo, a mi, y a mi persona.

Trabajo de manera dura y desinteresada en SpanishDict, y todo lo que pido a cambio es un poquito de adoracion, reconocimiento, gloria, y alguna que otra chica que me acaricie la barriga mientras tomo el sol tibiecito. Estoy seguro que dado los beneficios de conocerme, todo esto son naderías, un dividendo ínfimo a cambio de mi enorme magnanimidad.

updated Dec 28, 2010
posted by Gekkosan
Yes!!! The second person to give an answer in Spanish. Definitely a vote!!! - Seb79, Dec 23, 2010
A vote for good banter. Tick. - afowen, Dec 23, 2010
The cynic in me is just shaking her head and going, "...what an idiot!" :-) - Echoline, Dec 23, 2010
...so than what does that make me??? I just voted you up!!! - Echoline, Dec 23, 2010
Ahh...."Yoísmo" at its best :) - Izanoni1, Dec 23, 2010
you belly stroker Echo! resist, resist!! - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 23, 2010
you should see what Bryn reckons will happen if you stroke a Gekko's belly! :p http://www.spanishdict.com/answers/170553/is-there-anyway-to-friend-someone-on-spanish-dict - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 24, 2010
Deslumbrante y mordaz, Gekko. - cogumela, Dec 24, 2010
No esperaría menos de ti, lagartito. :D - galsally, Dec 24, 2010
@Kiwi: you really should stop spreading that awful urban legend. Just because someone encountered an incontinent blue lizard does not mean all Sauria, and much less all Gekkonidae behave in such a disgusting fashion! - Gekkosan, Dec 28, 2010
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Yes we are. I think humans are both selfish and altruistic. Selfishness can be necessary for our survival. It is an innate trait in all of us. Small children will grab what they want before being taught to share. Studies have also shown that small babies exhibit empathy for others as well. Babies will cry when another baby is in distress. Our environment plays a role as to which trait we display.

"Self preservation is the first law of nature" (Samuel Butler)

How can a mother look after her children if she does not look after herself first?

empathy Pictures, Images and Photos

its MINE Pictures, Images and Photos It's mine!

updated Dec 28, 2010
edited by Brynleigh
posted by Brynleigh
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Kindness In A Cruel World: The Evolution Of Altruism by Nigel Barber.

The premise of this book is that cooperation and caring for others is part of what allowed humans to survive. I'm of the opinion that human emotions are closely tied to what has helped us survive and evolve. We are hardwired to be connected to others, to raise our children to carry on the self. It is to our benefit as a species to feel pleasure in those behaviors. While that sounds cynical, from another point of view, I'm saying that love and caring for children, family, friends or all other human beings, is the very essence of who we are.

updated Dec 25, 2010
edited by Leatha
posted by Leatha
premise - pesta, Dec 23, 2010
Absolutely :)) - Brynleigh, Dec 23, 2010
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Hola, Seb.

I believe I understand the heart of your question.

Maybe it would be helpful to you if you examined some people you know about or that you know personally whom you consider to be totally unselfish.

For example, let's take the public persona of Mother Theresa. How much personal sacrifice did she endure? What about the level of criticism or ridicule? What about people misunderstanding her? I cannot say for certainty any answers to these questions, but they might help you as you ponder.

Closer to home, do you know any people who care for chronically ill or handicapped loved ones? How many of these caregivers get much of a break?

Or, to take your question of parents buying presents for children, I believe in that specific example it is not so much a potentially selfish act as a potential reward. Maybe this sounds strange, but when a parent sees delight and unfettered joy in the eyes of his child, the parent feels somewhat rewarded for all the moments of unacknowledged effort that he has extended for the benefit of his child. A person could argue that this is "selfish", but a contrary argument could be made.

The Bible is full of unselfish people who were empowered by the Holy Spirit to be unselfish. I would suggest that without the power of God working through us, it is pretty darn hard to be totally unselfish on a consistent basis.

My answer is awkward, I know. Once you establish an operational definition of "selfish" you might come up with a philosophical answer to a philosophical question, or a theological answer to a theological question.

updated Dec 23, 2010
posted by mountaingirl123
I think if we really want to be philosophical about this we need to be careful when it comes to deal ing with religious motive. The Gods of various beliefs promise rewards, such as heaven, for living in accordance with the dictates of said religion... - afowen, Dec 23, 2010
... a strong argument therefore that such acts are, eventually, self-serving - afowen, Dec 23, 2010
Afowen the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob offers Salvation as a free gift not as a reward for good living you cannot earn your way to heaven but simply put your trust in Jesus and keep trusting him throughout your life :) - FELIZ77, Dec 23, 2010
The good works that true Christians do are done simply by the Power of the Holy Spirit to draw attention to God not themselves and in gratitude for what God has already done for them :) - FELIZ77, Dec 23, 2010
Can it be truly free if it involves sacrifice? Your second comment suggest a group of people free from ego - do you really think this is the reality of things? :-) Alex - afowen, Dec 23, 2010
none of us are unselfish....but the good news is that we ARE capable of unselfish acts. Mountaingirl is correct. - Echoline, Dec 23, 2010
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I think you're being cynical.

If I run into a burning building to save an old woman, I'm not doing it to please myself. You can't prove/disprove what someone is feeling when they do something.

updated Dec 24, 2010
posted by TheSilentHero
But you can ask them, and if they are honest then you will get closer to the truth... - afowen, Dec 23, 2010
Yeah but sacrificing your life for personal gain makes no sense because you lose everything. What about soldiers who die defending their comrades? Are they really ending their lives so they get a good feeling out of it? - TheSilentHero, Dec 23, 2010
General dying in military conflict is distinct to sacrifice. Soldiers do not join up with the intention of dying. Jumping on a hand grenade, giving your life to save others would appear selfless. Appearances can often be misleading though :-) - afowen, Dec 23, 2010
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I imagine it depends to some degree on your perspective. For example, it would be possible to take the stance that not one single act of kindness is ever done without a person first contemplating how this act might effect himself. Taken from this viewpoint, charitable acts are not done out of love, but out of a sense of duty. That is, if one feels some sense of duty, some ingrained sense of debt to the rest of the world, to God, to the values of their parents or grandparents, etc., then any charitable act could just be taken as an attempt by that person to provide a respite from the suffocating pressure of such a debt.

On the other hand, others might argue that it is exactly this, a person's ability to share in the joy of another that proves a person to be capable of unselfishness. That is, if one's source of joy is no more than to see another person happy, it is difficult to argue that the person is thinking only of themselves.

Personally, I have slightly different thoughts on the matter. My own personal belief system focuses on the idea that we all have arisen from the same primordial source and that the animating force within each of us is one in the same force. That is that each individual does not represent a single being but an entire and vast organic whole. In short, each of us is connected by the same animating force. After having studied biology, and especially molecular biology, for the past decade or so and witnessing/documenting first hand the intricacies of living systems, I find it hard to argue against such an interconnectedness.

Aside from this perspective, I also tend to draw a lot of my ideas from my own musing on certain teachings from the Bible. In particular, I think a lot about Matthew 22 wherein the question is posed to Jesus, “Which commandment of the law is the greatest?”

Now in his time, Jesus was considered a radical amongst the Jewish community, and this question was actually meant as a snare, but being a true "radical," viz. being one able touch on the "radix" (or root) of an issue, he deftly combines two passages from the Torah: “You shall love the Lord your God with your whole heart, with your whole soul, and with all your mind” (Deuteronomy 6:5). “This is the greatest and first commandment. The second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ (Leviticus 19:18).

To my mind, every other commandment can be seen as subservient to these fundamental ends. Recognizing that the source of life, the source of love, the source of Good is in the Lord and that all living things are animated from this selfsame spark provides an understanding for these commandments. It is right that each nascent spark should pay homage to the roaring fire that gave birthed it. Moreover, each of us is filled with and shines with a light that is only a part of a greater light. In this sense, each light contributes to the overall whole, and seeing another shine brighter does not diminish our own light but only enhances our glow. We are all connected. We are all one. Anything we do for another only enhances our own light. In this sense, it is only possible to be selfish.

If my words seem clumsy, I am sorry. I don't know that I have the eloquence to express these ideas adequately in words.

updated Dec 23, 2010
edited by Izanoni1
posted by Izanoni1
No...your words aren't clumsy at all. You've expressed yourself in an adequate enough way to be understood and I think that's the main point and beauty of language. Being able to understand each other. ;) - Seb79, Dec 23, 2010
I don't get it :-D - afowen, Dec 23, 2010
Brilliant, Ira. Are you speaking of the Amago Dei? - Echoline, Dec 23, 2010
At Cathy: I think that you might mean the "Imago Dei (image of God)." I am not sure actually. These were actually just my own musings, and I would have to research this reference further to give you an answer - Izanoni1, Dec 23, 2010
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Here are my ideas:

If your thread gets lots of answers, then we are not all selfish, or SD members are not all selfish.

If you get few or no replies, then either we are all selfish, or SD members think this thread is not helping anyone learn Spanish.


Éstos son mis ideas:

Si el hilo recibe muchas respuestas, entonces no todos somos egoístas, o miembros de la SD no son egoístas.

Si recibe ninguna respuesta, entonces todos somos egoístas, o miembros de la SD creo que este hilo no esté ayudando a nadie aprender español.

updated Dec 24, 2010
posted by pesta
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I think much of what might be termed altruism can be seen, when analysed, to be born of egotism.

Think of your question in another way: Is it statistically likely that no human being has ever performed an act that has cost him, for the gain of another. I'd think that highly improbable, just by sheer weight of numbers.

I'd warrant that those such as the various Dalai Lamas, the Buddha and generally solid people like Ghandi act and acted with true selflessness. If you look at various 'spiritual' practices that preach the freeing of one's self from the ego, you might imagine selfless acts to be possible.

Anecdotally, whilst far from 'enlightened' grin I have got out of my car to remove debris from roads that were slowing traffic, picked up fallen bicycles blocking pavements and whilst I can't dig deep enough into my psyche to know the true motive I certainly did not feel smug nor better for having done it, nor banged on about such deeds to mates. To me they were acts that cost me a few moments of my time with the result of saving others time and hassle - one could argue that these were not selfish acts...

updated Dec 23, 2010
edited by afowen
posted by afowen
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Creo que no es justo que nos pidieras que contestáramos en español, que lo hayas escrito todo en inglés, Seb.

cool smirk

updated Dec 25, 2010
edited by galsally
posted by galsally
¡Cuanto me está matando el subjuntivo! Y ¿con qué fin? ^^ - galsally, Dec 24, 2010
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Un acto altruista es, el altruismo.

An unselfish act is ,altruism.

Pero ¿cómo se puede ser verdaderamente altruistas?

But how can one be truly altruistic?

The answer to that question is almost impossible to judge .

And that is the great problem,the fact that we are continually

sitting in judgement on not only all other sentient beings but

on our selves. Simply accept what we and others do for each other

in the spirit of good heart , and leave it at that . If you judge ,

then you have set a standard , we do not have the right

to impose our standards on others , neither should we expect

perfection in ourselves or others . If you halve your expectations

then you are immediately 50% happier ,so chill out and have a happy life.

Do what you can for those who need your help, and accept that other people

are doing their best also, if they are not, then that is their Kama

not ours .

updated Dec 25, 2010
posted by ray76
La suya es la voz de experiencia, cariño. Tanto le respeto. Look, I even gave you 'usted' form jeje :D - galsally, Dec 24, 2010
What does my bed have to do with it Ray :-) - afowen, Dec 24, 2010
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We usually help out on questions if you first post your own answer. tongue laugh

Maybe you'll find the answer in the SD dictionary LOL LOL

Por lo general, ayudar en las preguntas si primero escribir tu propia respuesta.

Tal vez encontrará la respuesta en la SD diccionario.

updated Dec 24, 2010
edited by pesta
posted by pesta
Hehehe....very funny, pesta!! I've drawn up a list like you said...it's quite helpful. Thanks!!;) - Seb79, Dec 23, 2010
Ok..I'll give you an answer... - Seb79, Dec 23, 2010
This should be a good debate. Debemos escribir en español. - pesta, Dec 23, 2010
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Delete - I thought you said shellfish. red face

updated Dec 24, 2010
edited by lorenzo9
posted by lorenzo9
¿Los mariscos son generosos? :) - Gekkosan, Dec 23, 2010
'I thought you said shellfish.'- :) - Seb79, Dec 23, 2010
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As with most of the important questions in life I find satisfying answers can be found in the Bible smile

So to answer this question, are we all selfish?

Inherently? Yes. Rom 5:12

Do we have to always act that way? No. It is possible to put on a new personality Eph 4:24.

How do we know if we're being unselfish? Check our motive. 1 Cor 13:5 - love does not seek it's own interests.

Interestingly enough the Bible notes that selfishness and associated traits would become more prevalent as time goes on and would become so noticeable that it was given as a sign of living in what the Bible calls 'the last days'. 2 Tim 3:1-5

Con la mayoría de las preguntas importantes en la vida creo que respuestas satisfactorias se puede encontrar en la Biblia.

Entonces para responder a esta pregunta, ¿Estamos todos egoístas?

Inherentemente? Sí. Romanos 5:12

Necesitamos actuar siempre de esa manera? No. Es posible que se ponga una nueva personalidad Ef 4:24.

¿Cómo sabemos si estamos siendo egoísta? Compruebe nuestro motivo. 1 Corintios 13:05 - El amor no busca que los intereses propios.

Es interesante que la Biblia señala que el egoísmo y los rasgos asociados pasarán a ser más frecuentes a medida que pasa el tiempo y llegaría a ser tan notable que fue dada como un signo que estamos viviendo en lo que la Biblia llama "los últimos días". 2 Timoteo 3:1-5

updated Dec 25, 2010
edited by Kiwi-Girl
posted by Kiwi-Girl
Interesting religious perspective....:) - Seb79, Dec 24, 2010
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  1. Para ser un buen padre, se debe mantener la propia fuerza con el fin de cuidar a los hijos.)
  2. Para ser un buen padre, se debe ser un ejemplo de benevolencia y consideración por los intereses de los demás.

Estas cosas no son contrarios. Existen en un continuo ininterrumpido de conducta humana. Los dos existen en cada individuo para la mayoría. Cada uno de nosotros decide dónde estamos en el continuo. Esta decisión se hace con el conocimiento de la ética personal y la lección del segundo mandamiento. Se parece simple pero no es simplista

  1. A good parent will take care of himself in order to take the best care of his children. This requires some degree of selfishness.
  2. A good parent will exemplify the virtue of charity (love) for his fellow man to be a good example to his children. This requires some degree of selflessness.

These two things are not contradictory. Both exist along a continuum. Each of us must decide where he falls on this continuum using personal ethics and the teaching of the second commandment. It may seem simple but is not at all simplistic.

updated Dec 25, 2010
edited by Sabor
posted by Sabor
I agree with point 1 and understand it, but I'm slightly baffled for point two.... - Seb79, Dec 24, 2010
I believe that teaching children requires setting a good example. Ethical behavior, good citizenship, etc. - Sabor, Dec 24, 2010
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In English: yes.

En español: sí.

updated Dec 24, 2010
posted by 008f2974
Nice...a simple yes...we are selfish. - Seb79, Dec 23, 2010
@dogbert: Thanks for the bilingual posting - I learn soooo much here! lol - pesta, Dec 23, 2010