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Would you like to test your English? Beware of some common mistakes!

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Just in case some of our most helpful Spanish speakers are getting a bit sick of teaching us all how to speak their language and they fancy a little English practice - here's a little test for those learning or who have learnt English.

This isn't too hard and if any one would like something a bit harder I can up the ante next time but this one does include some common errors that you may not realize you even make - so beware smile

Please do give me some feedback if this one's not much use and you'd like something harder or if you have any suggestions at all. smile

Try not to look at each others and if anyone's keen I'll be back to add corrections in a day or so smile

  1. Where is Tom? Has he _____ to the bank? gone been

  2. I've _____ to Venezuela twice. gone been

  3. Let's go to the store ______ come home. than then

  4. Auckland is larger ______ Kaeo. than then

  5. I sent the package _____ Don. to two too

  6. I think you should come to this meeting, _____. to two too

  7. _____ is plenty for everyone! They're Their There

  8. I went to _____ party last weekend. It was a lot of fun. they're their there

  9. Let's discuss ______ we should go or not. whether if

  10. They were wondering ______ to come or not. whether if

  11. Do you have ______ to help me? time enough enough time

  12. I don't think she's _____ to pass that test. smart enough enough smart

  13. He's lived in Kerikeri ______ he was a young man. since for

  14. I've been thinking about you ______ the past few hours. since for

  15. She goes to school _____. every day everyday

  16. Peter has an ______ meeting at ten. everyday every day

  17. _____ wants to have some fun some of the time! Everyone Every one

  18. I'll hand out the sheet to _____. everyone every one

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updated Nov 5, 2011
edited by Kiwi-Girl
posted by Kiwi-Girl
very nice, kiwi, great, let's see if the natives chime in;) - 00494d19, Dec 14, 2010
Thanx Heidi :) it may be a little too easy for many of our lovely hablohispantes but we shall see :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 14, 2010
Awsesome job Kiwi girl. You should do this more often. - Lucamos, Dec 14, 2010
Nice one yet again MC! - galsally, Dec 14, 2010
Thanks guys :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 14, 2010
Excellent exercise Kiwi. - Carlos-F, Dec 14, 2010
Thank you Carlos, you have done spectacularly well, but then we would expect no less from you :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 14, 2010

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Thanks MC for posting this!!

Where is Tom? Has he gone to the bank?

I've been to Venezuela twice. gone been

Let's go to the store. Then come home.

Let's to to the store then come home. - *the 'then' is perfect, 'then come home' is a dependent clause and can't be separated - if you like you can use a comma but using commas to offset certain adverbs is optional: then, so, yet.

  • Auckland is larger than Kaeo

I sent the package to Don.

I think you should come to this meeting, too.

There is plenty for everyone!

I went to their party last weekend. It was a lot of fun.

Let's discuss whether we should go or not.

They were wondering whether to come or not.

Do you have enough time to help me?

I don't think she's smart enough to pass that test.

He's lived in Kerikeri since he was a young man.

I've been thinking about you for the past few hours.

She goes to school every day.

Peter has an everyday meeting at ten.

Everyone wants to have some fun some of the time!

I'll hand out the sheet to every one.

updated Dec 15, 2010
edited by Kiwi-Girl
posted by cogumela
Brilliant! - ray76, Dec 14, 2010
Every choice the correct one :) ¡Estupendo! - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 14, 2010
Wow! - sanlee, Dec 14, 2010
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There were a couple near the end that made me doubt a little, I don't know

Where is Tom? Has he gone to the bank? gone been

I've been to Venezuela twice. gone been

Let's go to the store then come home. than then

Auckland is larger than Kaeo. than then

I sent the package to Don. to two too

I think you should come to this meeting, too to two too

There is plenty for everyone! They're Their There

I went to their party last weekend. It was a lot of fun. they're their there

Let's discuss whether we should go or not. whether if

They were wondering whether to come or not. whether if

Do you have enough time to help me? time enough enough time

I don't think she's smart enough to pass that test. smart enough enough smart

He's lived in Kerikeri since he was a young man. since for

I've been thinking about you for the past few hours. since for

She goes to school every day every day everyday

Peter has an everyday meeting at ten. everyday every day

Everyone wants to have some fun some of the time! Everyone Every one

I'll hand out the sheet to every one. everyone every one

updated Dec 15, 2010
edited by bill1111
posted by bill1111
Everyone=all the people Every one=every single thing - Beatrice-Codder, Dec 14, 2010
Perfecto - hmm I think I'll have to make it harder for you guys next time :p - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
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  1. Where is Tom? Has he _____ to the bank? gone been

In my experience, either word can be used, depending on what you mean: "gone": Tom was about to leave for the bank, has he already done so? "been": Tom was supposed to stop at the bank some time today and make a deposit. Has he done so already?

Re your - "about to go, has he already done so" it can only be 'gone' - 'been' refers to the going and coming back from a mission, 'gone' refers only to the leaving on the mission smile see note regarding has/have been vs has gone etc below. 'Done so' is a whole 'nother story.

Huh? But that's what I said! We don't know from the contextless question whether Tom has gone or been to the bank!

  1. I've been to Venezuela twice.

  2. Let's go to the store then come home. (Puleeeze!)

  3. Auckland is larger than Kaeo (Puleeeze!!).

  4. I sent the package to Don.

  5. I think you should come to this meeting, too.

7.There is plenty for everyone!

  1. I went to their party last weekend. It was a lot of fun.

  2. Let's discuss if we should go or not.

The verb 'discuss' generally takes whether rather than if.

Sez who? grin

  1. They were wondering whether to come or not. (USAGE: If and whether are more or less interchangeable in sentences like : I'll see if he left an address and : I'll see whether he left an address, although whether is generally regarded as more formal and suitable for written use. But, although if and whether are often interchangeable, a distinction worth noting is that if is also used in conditional constructions and whether in expressing an alternative or possibility. Thus, : tell me if you’re going to be in town next week could be strictly interpreted as 'you need not reply if you are not going to be in town,' whereas : tell me whether you’re going to be in town next week clearly means 'a reply is desired one way or the other.')

  2. Do you have enough time to help me? This lends itself to a certain amount of ambiguity and discussion.

Adjective / Adverb + Enough

When 'enough' modifies an adjective or an adverb place it after the adjective / adverb (before for nouns only):

  1. I don't think she's smart enough to pass that test.

  2. She's lived in Kerikeri since she was a young woman.

  3. I've been thinking about you forthe past few hours.

  4. She goes to school every day. (USAGE The adjective everyday, 'pertaining to every day, ordinary,' is correctly spelled as one word ( : carrying out their everyday activities), but the adverbial phrase every day, meaning 'each day,' is always spelled as two words ( : it rained every day))

  5. Peter has an everyday meeting at ten. (Eugh! I'd use "daily")

  6. Everyone wants to have some fun some of the time!

  7. I'll hand out the sheet to every one. Somewhat awkward sentence, I think. Technically it is impossible to hand the same single sheet to every one; so it ought to be "one sheet" to every one.

ppsshca!

updated Dec 15, 2010
edited by Gekkosan
posted by Gekkosan
Gekko good point but: 'the sheet' is really meaning this type of sheet rather than literally meaning this particular piece of paper - FELIZ77, Dec 14, 2010
Your expression would certainly be much clearer - FELIZ77, Dec 14, 2010
I understand how it was meant, Feliz. "The sheet" meaning "this here printed material, a copy of which shall be delivered to each one of those who are meant to receive it". I just think that if we're going to be working on "correct English", we might as.. - Gekkosan, Dec 14, 2010
...well work on precision, too, don't you think? - Gekkosan, Dec 14, 2010
now, now no estás de pocas pulgas :p - is it incorrect? no, and does it allow learners to see why they shouldn't put every and day together as one word (in most cases)? yes, well then that's something isn't it:) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 14, 2010
Excelente Gekko, as to be expected - a couple of points perhaps to consider although your perspicacity together with your pertinacity or should we say obduracy will probably have you telling me why the grammarians have it wrong :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
The trouble is you will likely make quite good point :p - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
ooops- 's' - 'quite good points' - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
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has/have gone to ... refers to someone who has gone to a place but has not yet returned.

Nonsense. e.g. "Have you ever been to Mexico?" - "Yes. I've gone there every summer for the last five years. " (Of course "Yes, I've been there many times." would also be possible but "Yes. I've been there every summer for the last five years. " would be quite odd.).

When enough modifies a noun, place enough before the noun:

Certainly the more common construction but there's nothing wrong with noun+"enough" e.g. Andrew Marvell's "Had we but world enough, and time, / This coyness, lady, were no crime."

updated Nov 5, 2011
posted by samdie
Poetry doesn't have to follow the rules of grammar because it has, well, poetic license. However, you are correct on both points. - lorenzo9, Dec 15, 2010
Thank you Samdie good been/gone example and as alway with most rules they work most of the time but there are likely to be exceptions as in this case. Regarding your noun+enough I would be very surprised if you found it anywhere other than in poetry or - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
prose. :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
"other than in poetry or prose" such as mathematical formulae, paintings? - samdie, Dec 15, 2010
I should have stopped while I was behind shouldn't I! quite right - I would be very surprised if you find it anywhere other than in poetry, rarely, if ever in prose. :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
ok second thoughts, I give in, as you mentioned in your last comment/post? (btw where did that go) 'there will be time enough for that later' is not at all uncommon - in fact I'm sure I've said it myself on more than one occasion :) Oh dear I don't know - - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
honestly I just wanted to give a little back to the kind and hardworking hablohispantes on this forum - I had no hidden agenda and certainly had no desire to put forward my particular thoughts on English grammar infact all of the examples although - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
modified were found in books or on sites as grammatical explanations but then I suppose that leaves one wide open to misinformation and the subsequent aftermath. :( - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
Even famous grammar books like Strunk and White have numerous incorrect examples. Overall, you did a good job to have so little disagreement in a grammar discussion. - lorenzo9, Dec 16, 2010
Aw thanx Lorenzo :) - Kiwi-Girl, Nov 5, 2011
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Peter has an ______ meeting at ten. everyday every day

While one of these is technically correct, saying or writing either one will immediately identify you as a non-native speaker.

updated Dec 16, 2010
posted by lorenzo9
There. It's weird, right? I agree. - Gekkosan, Dec 14, 2010
Maybe it's a Kiwi thing? I wondered if MC intended it to be ' a meeting every day at 10'..? - galsally, Dec 14, 2010
Well you're quite right that I would never say a sentence like that but grammatically there is a correct answer. :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 14, 2010
Yes, but *why*? I mean, is that an everyday expression? Methinks not. - Gekkosan, Dec 15, 2010
lol, as a matter of fact I don't think I ever use the word 'everyday' - I probably should have used a more common expression such as 'it's an everyday occurrence' but it didn't come to me at the time and I still say that the given sentence is correct and - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
atleast serves the purpose of differentiating between every day and everyday. - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
So you're saying that the verb discuss can't be used with if, but the noun meeting can be used with the adjective everyday? Do you speak English? - lorenzo9, Dec 15, 2010
you will probably notice that in my notes I stated only that the verb 'discuss' generally takes whether - and being such an expert in English yourself I'm sure you'll realize that that is a far cry from 'can't be used with' which is a blanket statement - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
meaning never, ever! - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
I need a sarcasm emoticon :o - lorenzo9, Dec 16, 2010
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Where is Tom? Has he gone to the bank? gone been

I've been to Venezuela twice. gone been

Let's go to the store then come home. than then

Auckland is larger than Kaeo. than then

I sent the package to Don. to two too

I think you should come to this meeting, too. to two too

There is plenty for everyone! They're Their There

I went to their party last weekend. It was a lot of fun. they're their there

Let's discuss whether we should go or not. whether if

They were wondering whether to come or not. whether if

Do you have enough time to help me? time enough enough time

I don't think she's smart enough to pass that test. smart enough enough smart

He's lived in Kerikeri since he was a young man. since for

I've been thinking about you for the past few hours. since for

She goes to school everyday everyday

Peter has a meeting at ten. every day everyday

Everyone wants to have some fun some of the time! Everyone Every one

I'll hand out the sheet to every one

updated Dec 15, 2010
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
Excellent Feliz, do you not count yourself as a native English speaker? - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
Yes partly lol but I was born in Peru so I am partly Peruvian :) - FELIZ77, Dec 15, 2010
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Poetry doesn't have to follow the rules of grammar because it has, well, poetic license. However, you are correct on both points.

I was certain that someone would bring up "poetic license" . However, the fact that some poetry takes liberties with the language does not mean that all poetry does. Even poetry that does violate the norms of speech does so in parts. An ungrammatical construction/phrase in a poem does not automatically invalidate all the constructions therein. In this particular case, the more "natural" (prosaic, if I may be permitted that pun) would be "If we had world and time enough (or, equally, "time and world enough") and the "license" lies in separating the nouns (obviously so as to be able to get the "time"/"crime" rhyme.

I chose to quote Marvell because 1) the line immediately popped into my mind (or from the depths to the surface of my mind), 2) I would expect anyone with a serious interest in English to have, at least, a passing familiarity with the poem (it is, after all rather famous) and 3) it's the only example from a widely published source that I can think of. The OED has "a. with n. in sing., which it usually follows." The citations contain a mix of n+a and a+n constructions with the a+n constructions predominating (as one might expect).

I have no argument with anyone who says that the a+n is more common. It is only the assertion that the n+a is wrong that I find objectionable.

I suspect that we all have a tendency to to promote our language preferences to the status of rules; to want to substitute "this is what you should say" for "this is what I (and, perhaps, (all/most) of my friends) say." However natural the tendency, language is a matter of convention. We must agree on certain things if we are to communicate. As with all agreements, this implies a certain degree of "give and take" (a tolerance for alternatives).

The sentence "There will be time enough for that, later." sounds, to me, at least as natural (and in some ways better, though the emphasis is slightly different) than "There will be enough time for that, later"

updated Dec 15, 2010
edited by samdie
posted by samdie
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Bien hecho a todos smile

As we know some of our native Spanish speakers have a legendary grasp of the English language which can been seen from their responses - very impressive! Although, of course, we would expect no less from them je je smile

If however you may have made a couple of mistakes don't feel at all bad I'm sure if a group of native English speakers sat the same test they would also make a number of mistakes between them! Also the upside is that now you've been able to isolate some errors and that's the first step to fixing them - onwards and upwards!

If you got caught with a few here's the reasons why things are the way the are smile

(Please don't shoot the messenger as all of the following is sourced (although condensed) from published material):

Waiver - although these answers have all been sourced from published material, written by people who you would expect to know what they're talking about, obviously most rules have exceptions and some of them will be wide open for debate (as verified by the plethora of comments found in and around the thread smile )

I am now quietly skulking away to my corner and it is very doubtful that I will come out for quite some time - as far as English quizes go at least, one good thing about Spanish is that everyone expects me to make lots of mistakes and when I do no one gets cranky! smile

NOTES: including edits in bold & brackets

Has gone to vs. Has been to (there will be exceptions to this but generally this rule works)

... has/have gone to ... refers to someone who has gone to a place but has not yet returned.

... has/have been to ... refers to a place which someone has visited sometime in his life. In other words, "has been to" refers to an experience.

Then vs. Than

Then is used as a time expression. Than is used for comparisons.

Too vs. Two vs. To

Too means "also" and is generally used at the end of a sentence. "Too" also indicates too much of a particular quality.

Two is the written form of the number 2.

To is generally used as a preposition. It is also used as part of the infinitive form of verbs.

They're vs. There vs. Their

They're is the contracted form of They are. This form is used in sentences using "they" as the subject of the sentence with the verb "to be" used as either the helping verb (e.g. They're going ..., They're playing ...) or the principal verb of the sentence.

There is used as an introductory subject is sentences with "There is" and "There are". It is also used as an adverb of place meaning "in that place". (eg over there)

Their is the possessive pronoun form. This form is used to express that "they" have a specific quality, or that something belongs to "them".

Whether / If

Both whether and if are used to introduce a yes/no question:

The verb 'discuss' generally takes whether rather than if. (Yes you will get away with using 'if' and many consider it perfectly acceptable.)

Use only whether after prepositions: Use only whether before infinitives:

Generally, whether is considered more formal than if.

Enough

Adjective / Adverb + Enough

When enough modifies an adjective or an adverb place enough after the adjective / adverb:

Enough + Noun

When enough modifies a noun, place enough before the noun: (- this is the normal structure but you will come across exceptions, some used frequently.)

Since vs. For with Present Perfect

Since is used with the present perfect to express that something has happened since a point in time.

For is used with the present perfect to express that something has happened for a period of time.

Everyday Use everyday as an adjective to mean 'daily'.

Every day Use every day as a time expression to mean 'each day'.

Everyone Use everyone as a pronoun to mean all the people in a group.

Every one Use every one as a noun to indicate each person.

(Obviously there was some ambiguity in the sample I gave for 'every one' but the rule stands.)

updated Dec 15, 2010
edited by Kiwi-Girl
posted by Kiwi-Girl
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Thank you to everyone who participated and to everyone who left their comments. smile

Although I'm always keen to give back to the 'hablohispante' part of this forum who I feel work so hard on our behalf I was kind of dreading the comeback from those who would take issue with some of the answers.

Basically I had two paths to choose from - give sentences which reflect common every day speech but may not be technically and grammatically correct or give sentences and have their answers backed up by a grammatical rule. As you can see I chose the latter as it at least gave me some leg to stand on.

Please don't get me wrong I agree very much that language evolves and to some extent what the people are speaking is going to be correct, sometimes the grammarians are just going to have to catch up and revise their books. But at the end of the day I will stick by my decision to post a quiz based on grammatical rules & notes to hand - I'm sure I would have copped a lot more flack if my answers reflected the English that we Kiwi's speak or my own reasonings as to why things should be a particular way.

Just one comment with the first sentence - Pesta did try to save me from myself suggesting that I either move that one further down the list or ditch it completely lol and it certainly seems to have generated the biggest controversy.

For the record, regarding this sentence, I do agree that if you want to force the issue you could make 'been' fit if you're expecting Tom to be where you are - but if you just take it on face value that Tom isn't there (that's why the first bit of the sentence asks where he is) then the logical answer would be 'gone. Also the following question may add to the logic by showing the other choice. But, as with most things that allow for the slightest ambiguity it is up for debate :p

I hope that those who participated at least enjoyed and and at best learnt something from the quiz and when I've bathed my wounds I may be back with another smile

PS sorry Dogwood I'm going to have to stick with my learnt - your learned sounds just as strange to me as mine does to you - unless I'm using it in the 'learned old man' kind of way, and then I'd be saying it differently anyway, lol smile English language can be such a funny old thing!

updated Dec 15, 2010
posted by Kiwi-Girl
Oh, I think it was a good exercise, and very brave of you, too. I have been thinking that probably us Hispanohablantes who have worked hard to learn English perhaps have a bit more of a chip on our shoulders than English speakers learning other languages - Gekkosan, Dec 15, 2010
Perhaps it is that old "us-vs. The Empire" thing, where the rest of us feel that we must work harder to prove ourselves. Or maybe this is just a lot of rubbish. :-) Anyway, I do appreciate the exercise and the opportunity to debate something more.... - Gekkosan, Dec 15, 2010
...interesting than "how do you say 'hello beutifool what's ur name' in puertorican (sic)". Thanks, Watergal! - Gekkosan, Dec 15, 2010
Thanks... it was really fun, I learned English, practically by hearing it... so every sentence I use, is for the way I've heard it or read it, this is a great way for us to learn a bit more! - Tonyriva, Dec 15, 2010
Thanks for the bandaids guys :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
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Where is Tom? Has he _____ to the bank? gone been.

I've _____ to Venezuela twice. gone been

Both could be correct, depending on meaning.

Let's go to the store ______ come home. then

Auckland is larger ______ Kaeo. than

I sent the package _____ Don. to

I think you should come to this meeting, _____. too

_____ is plenty for everyone! There

I went to _____ party last weekend. It was a lot of fun. their

Let's discuss ______ we should go. [or not] omit. whether

They were wondering ______ to come. whether

Do you have ______ to help me? enough time

I don't think she's _____ to pass that test. smart enough

He's lived in Kerikeri ______ he was a young man. since

I've been thinking about you ______ the past few hours. for

She goes to school _____. every day

Peter has an ______ meeting at ten. everyday

_____ wants to have some fun some of the time! Everyone

I'll hand out the sheet to _____. everyone

updated Dec 15, 2010
posted by Sabor
Well done Sabor, as you can see you are in good company with your choices :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
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  1. Where is Tom? Has he gone to the bank? gone been

  2. I've been to Venezuela twice. gone been

  3. Let's go to the store then come home. than then

  4. Auckland is larger than Kaeo. than then

  5. I sent the package to Don. to two too

  6. I think you should come to this meeting, too. to two too

  7. There is plenty for everyone! They're Their There

  8. I went to their party last weekend. It was a lot of fun. they're their there

  9. Let's discuss whether we should go or not. whether if

  10. They were wondering whether to come or not. whether if

  11. Do you have enough time to help me? time enough enough time

  12. I don't think she's smart enough to pass that test. smart enough enough smart

  13. He's lived in Kerikeri since he was a young man. since for

  14. I've been thinking about you for the past few hours. since for

  15. She goes to school every day. every day everyday

  16. Peter has an everyday meeting at ten. everyday every day

  17. Everyone wants to have some fun some of the time! Everyone Every one

  18. I'll hand out the sheet to every one. everyone every one

updated Dec 15, 2010
posted by Carlos-F
Perfect :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
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Responses From the Heart of Dixie:

'Round here smirk The first two sentences could have either word without a problem. But then again, we are sloppy with our grammar.

Has he been/gone to the bank?

I've been/gone to Venezuela twice.

Also, if you were to say "Let's discuss ______ we should go or not." You would most likely say "if", but if you wanted to sound "highfalutin" you would say "whether". We don't care, either is acceptable, but we prefer you to not be highfalutin.

This sentence doesn't exist in our world.

Peter has an ______ meeting at ten. everyday every day

In our world, Peter has a meeting _____ at ten everyday, every day

Just so you know, around here, we don't care whether or not Peter's meeting is everyday or every day, all we care is that that word come after the word meeting.

updated Dec 14, 2010
posted by djnotsophat
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Where is Tom? Has he gone to the bank?

I've been to Venezuela twice. gone been

Let's go to the store. Then come home.

Auckland is larger than Kaeo

I sent the package to Don.

I think you should come to this meeting, too.

There is plenty for everyone!

I went to their party last weekend. It was a lot of fun.

Let's discuss whether we should go or not.

They were wondering whether to come or not.

Do you have enough time to help me?

I don't think she's smart enough to pass that test.

He's lived in Kerikeri since he was a young man.

I've been thinking about you for the past few hours.

She goes to school every day.

Peter has an everyday meeting at ten.

Everyone wants to have some fun some of the time!

I'll hand out the sheet to every one.

updated Dec 15, 2010
posted by Abhinair66
Perfecto! Bien hecho :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
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There are a lot of errors in the "correct" answers:

"Has Tom been to the bank?" does not mean "Has Tom ever been to the bank in his life?", it means "Has Tom been to the bank since some implied time?". It does ask if the trip to the bank has been completed, but it doesn't ask if he has returned.

A few further points to ponder:

If you get in your car and start driving to a party, but get in an accident before you arrive and have to go to the hospital, did you go to the party?

If you went to the location of the party, but arrived after it was over, did you go to the party?

If you had just entered the party and suddenly collapsed and did not regain consciousness until the next day, did you go to the party?

"Everyday" is an adjective with many meanings, but it is less commonly applied to the noun "meeting" than the adjective "logarithmic" is applied to "sunset."

"I'll hand out the sheet to everyone." is correct.
"I'll hand out the sheet to every one of the students." is correct.
"I'll hand out the sheet to every one." is incorrect and begs the question "Every one of what?" The non-compound modified pronoun "every one" is almost always followed by a prepositional phrase except in set phrases like "each and every one" at the end of a sentence.

There are minor grammatical distinctions between whether and if, but "discuss if" is grammatically correct. Adding a superfluous "or not" doesn't even trigger the usual selection of options. The comments on prepositions and infinitives were correct.

updated Dec 15, 2010
posted by lorenzo9
A somewhat tragic outlook on life, but yes, this is closer to my understanding of English. Gracias Lorenzo. - Gekkosan, Dec 15, 2010
Thank you, Lorenzo - Sabor, Dec 15, 2010
Thanx Lorenzo, ah if only I'd come up with everyday occurrence which is I think the only time I would use 'everyday' but ah well, we can't win them all :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 15, 2010
"Everyday" has lots of everyday uses ;). . .but you're not off the hook for the "every one" error :) - lorenzo9, Dec 15, 2010
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Response to "Bien Hecho":

I think this is a good illustration of the contrast of "English by the book" vs. "English as it's used" (or any language, for that matter). Yes, it is good to learn the rules and do some formal studying, but then if one wishes to "blend" within a group of native speakers, one has to throw the book overboard and start listening.

As someone else pointed out, words like "whether" tend to be considered "uppity" in some circles, so they are never used. Likewise words like "been" and "gone" may have rules defined for them, but many native speakers ignore them. In England, for example, my experience was that people hardly ever used "gone", preferring "been" instead.

It is also worth noticing that English grammar and dictionaries are far more dependent on usage and custom, than on strict rules. (In contrast to Spanish, for example, where the Real Academia may eventually agree to modify some rules after a different usage has been observed for decades).

So I learned English by reading and by listening to regular folk speak, and thus I have never really had much use for "grammar rules", as such. I rely on spell checkers for my grammar and spelling. When speaking, people always understand me. grin

updated Dec 15, 2010
posted by Gekkosan
I am very happy for your success. But if you wanted to get along in an environment of well-educated people, you would need to speak like them and not merely be understood. - Sabor, Dec 15, 2010
Ah, I'm afraid that you miss my point, Sabor, or perhaps I did not extend myself enough in my commentary. I believe that "well-educated" people also have a code, and a slang, of their own. I have started a couple of games based on this idea. Even such.... - Gekkosan, Dec 15, 2010
...code may not always strictly agree with the established rules. Witness the discussion above on the use of " enough time vs. time enough". Was Heinlein wrong to title his novel "Time Enough for Love"? - Gekkosan, Dec 15, 2010
Just to ammend the omission, then, I am usually able to converse ably with "well-educated" people from Cambridge, Oxford, or Cornell, just as I shoot the breeze with my fellow mechanics at the shop. - Gekkosan, Dec 15, 2010
I'm not attempting to show off, by the way. My point is simply that *sometimes* you get farther by doing than by studying the how to's. - Gekkosan, Dec 15, 2010