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Who vs. That (A question about English Grammar)

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I feel stupid asking a question about my own native language but today while filling my truck with gasoline I noticed a small sign on the pump thar read "Customers that cannot reach the pump should ask for assistance". Now that sounds just fine to me but someone went to the trouble of writing who over the word that on every pump. So, I was hoping some of our fine English speaking members could clarify this for me.

Thank you

Gary

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updated Nov 20, 2010
edited by webdunce
posted by Yeser007
I am finding I am learning more English grammar than ever before. "You are never too old to learn new trickes!" And if that means asking questions about our native language; well, I guess I'm silly and stupid, too! lol - bandit51jd, Nov 18, 2010
Agreed, bandit! Learning another language forces a review of the grammar of one's own language. - revmaf, Nov 18, 2010
I made your title a little more descriptive of the subject. I hope you don't mind. - webdunce, Nov 18, 2010
Great question yesero .. I've been wondering about that for a long time :)) - 00b6f46c, Nov 18, 2010
I don't mind Web, I thought of it after shutting off the computer. Thank you. - Yeser007, Nov 18, 2010

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I was taught to say "who" rather than "that" when referring to persons. But the sign would not offend me.

On the other hand, my great-aunt, who has a "Grammar Police" t-shirt, may have been the one who corrected all the signs!

I think many, if not most, native English speakers are becoming much more tolerant of technical errors in grammar. That may be due to the shortcuts we take while texting, the sloppiness tolerated in emails, or to the reduced emphasis on grammar in our public schools. As mentioned, English is evolving.

updated Nov 18, 2010
posted by revmaf
Holy crud, that's funny. Remember the "Where's the Beef" lady? I can picture your grandmother saying, "Where's the grammar?". jejejeje - Jason7R, Nov 18, 2010
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See? This is one of those cases where Spanish is simpler than English. We just use 'que' for everything, at least as long as we don't want to get too 'creative' with the grammar. LOL

updated Nov 18, 2010
edited by bill1111
posted by bill1111
jajaja - 00b6f46c, Nov 18, 2010
Nice!! - Yeser007, Nov 18, 2010
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It should be "who" considering it is refering to a person and not simply an object. grin

updated Nov 18, 2010
posted by esperanza22
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Normally I fall among the person/thing distinction preservers. However, I can think of two kinds of exceptions. "He is not the man who is father was." I would unhesitatingly change to "the man that his ..." The other case concerns not what I say but what I am forced to listen to. Large numbers of modern speakers have trouble (are clueless about) distinguishing the nominative and objective pronouns. Thus, they will, unblushingly, say "The man who I saw standing on the corner ..." rather than listen to such, I would rather that they say "The man that I saw standing on the corner ..."* (a lesser offense and one which has, at least, some historical precedent).

updated Nov 18, 2010
posted by samdie
Great examples of the exceptions....I'm sure there are more but.... Always love learning!! :) - Jason7R, Nov 18, 2010
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I'm in the group that uses "who" for people and "that" for things.

updated Nov 18, 2010
posted by --Mariana--
I'm with you on that, Marianne. - Tormenta, Nov 18, 2010
If you read the wiki link in my post (click on the word "debate"), I think you might find the possible origins of the word interesting, at the very least. - webdunce, Nov 18, 2010
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You can get some good info here and here. I fall into the group that thinks it matters little. My English teachers were all of the strict "who for people, that for things" group.

It's like the ain't debate (two separate links). I feel vindicated to live in an area that takes full advantage of the beautiful little word.

updated Nov 18, 2010
posted by webdunce
Ugh!!!! The word "ain't" will never be okay in my book. - --Mariana--, Nov 18, 2010
You're right Marianne, that just ain't good English! - Yeser007, Nov 18, 2010
Well personally, I think that there 'ain't' no better word to use in a pinch ;) - Izanoni1, Nov 18, 2010
:) - Yeser007, Nov 18, 2010
ain't that the truth ;) - Goldie_Miel, Nov 18, 2010
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Both who and that are correct, but who is currently preferred. . .50 years ago, that was preferred.

updated Nov 18, 2010
posted by lorenzo9
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English teacher grafitti. The who, whom, that thing is very tricky I don't anyone that (who) talks that way anymore I think it's one of those evolutionary language changes. But I bet if we looked it up we would all be speaking incorrectly.

updated Nov 18, 2010
posted by daphne505
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I am also one who uses "who" for people and "that" for things. smile It's seems so small of a thing but hey "tomato" and "toemawtoe" (said phonetically). wink

updated Nov 20, 2010
posted by Jason7R
I believe you meant to say: 'mater, as in "them there 'maters are rotten...they ain't no good at all," right? :DD - webdunce, Nov 19, 2010
L O L!!! Too funny my friend, and yes, your correct!!!!!!! ;) - Jason7R, Nov 20, 2010