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Today I came across this one: unknowledgement, or unknowledge

I was told that this word doesn't exist in English and I could hardly believe it, because I am really used reading it in scientific publications. For example,

"The possibility of a genetical connective tissue disorder as an unknowledge of the basis that correlate the biomaterials´s structure with the wall´s biochemical and mechanical behaviour, involve..."

But it appears that the guy who told me this was right, (his face looked horrified in the presence of this word) I have just looked it up in the dictionary without success. The translator admits this word and it gives "desconocimiento". What's happening here?

Is it just a mistake?

A common mistake? A big mistake? A horrible translation? Have you ever heard or read this word?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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updated Dec 14, 2010
edited by cogumela
posted by cogumela
really used 'to' reading it, (in the presence of :( ) when he heard this word, the translator 'confirms' - Kiwi-Girl, Nov 19, 2010
ooops sorry I hadn't read all the other posts when I added the corrections but I see now that Marianne had already helped :) - Kiwi-Girl, Nov 19, 2010

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And one more insight on the origin of this word.

In the 1800's and early 1900's there was a movement within the followers of Nietzsche and other similar type authors, all involved in the new superman-type, the high intellectual, highly evolved. Evolving neologisms for propaganda. They brought out “truths and untruths,” “knowing, unknowing.” Everything was "un". The opposite was always "un" and this is definitely being used today on a big scale.

Knowledge is power. They would call it "unknowledge," or unknowledge really would be in their terminology nonsensical trivia, or "fake knowledge." Fake perhaps with a purpose and the purpose is to shape your mind since every conclusion that you will come to depends on the data that you have access to in your life, coupled with your own experiences. You will tend to come to the wrong conclusions if you've been fed nothing but irrelevant or misleading data. I guess they would say "un-data" in that category.

updated Nov 17, 2010
posted by mediterrunio
¿Lo ves, mediterr? Que la he visto un montón de veces escrita. Me pregunto qué clase de idioma estoy mal-aprendiendo - cogumela, Nov 9, 2010
Lo veo, pero yo trato con muchas palabras que no son de uso corriente. Serendipity is one of them. Y han acuñado unknoledge teniendo ignorance. En español podemos acuñar inconocimiento entonces. - mediterrunio, Nov 9, 2010
me pregunto de dónde sacaste que estás mal aprendiendo. - mediterrunio, Nov 9, 2010
hey, what's the matter with ¨"inconocimiento" : ) I can understand it perfectlyy - cogumela, Nov 9, 2010
perdón, pero tanta designorancia me apabulla :-D - mediterrunio, Nov 9, 2010
That's an excellent explanation, medi. Language evolves, and some people don't keep up. 'Unknowledge' gets 8,300 results on Google, did you know? - galsally, Nov 17, 2010
I did not know. But I think google stats are not authoritative. A mistake can hit millions and a right answer might remain unreavealed in Google´s kingdom. - mediterrunio, Nov 17, 2010
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I have never, ever seen these words in any type of material, scientific or otherwise. The only explaination that I have for the use of these words is that perhaps the paper was originally published in one language and then translated with this mistake by the translator. However, if this is the case, the translator was a non-native English speaker, as I've never heard these words used, even by English speakers who mangle the language into near incomprehension.

If you have seen it in more than one scientific paper, I would summize that the paper was translated by the same person in all of those cases. This would not be a common mistake to be made.

updated Nov 20, 2010
posted by Echoline
Ok then. Yeah, I have seen it more than once. - cogumela, Nov 9, 2010
surmise - nizhoni1, Nov 9, 2010
this looks like the most reasonable explanation to me. - nizhoni1, Nov 9, 2010
I concur ;p - bill1111, Nov 10, 2010
The only "explanation" - Brynleigh, Nov 20, 2010
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Cogumela wrote:

Today I came across this one: unknowledgement, or unknowledge

BecauseI was told that this word doesn't exist in English and I could hardly could believe it since because I am really used to reading it in scientific publications. For example,

.....

But it appears that the guy who told me this was right (his face looked horrified in the presence of this word). I justhave just looked it up in the dictionary without success. The translator admits this word and it gives "desconocimiento". What's happening here?

Is it just a mistake?

A common mistake? A big mistake? A horrible translation? Have you ever heard or read this word?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

updated Nov 17, 2010
posted by --Mariana--
;) Thanks, Marianne! - cogumela, Nov 9, 2010
Oh no.. I can't understand why "used to reading" to + ing ? I can't get on with to/ing - cogumela, Nov 9, 2010
it's the rule :) to be used to + Verb(ing) or a to be used to + noun :) - culé, Nov 9, 2010
Just to be clear, there may be some technical difference between since and because, but they are frequently used interchangeably by natives...including myself. - webdunce, Nov 17, 2010
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Hi Cogumela, smile

I think I have seen unacknowledged or unknowledged. It was a weird text anyway...

unknowledged : Not acknowledged or recognized

unacknowledged : not recognized or admitted, not openly acknowledged;

for example : "an unacknowledged emergency"

updated Nov 10, 2010
posted by culé
Thanks cule! - cogumela, Nov 9, 2010
Yes I was going to say the same. :-) - athegr8, Nov 10, 2010
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But please check this article, because maybe it´s just not common but...

updated Nov 9, 2010
posted by mediterrunio
una palabra nueva en el 31º año :O jejejej - culé, Nov 9, 2010
si, por eso estoy aquí!! :-D - mediterrunio, Nov 9, 2010
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acknowledge?? acknowledgement?

updated Nov 9, 2010
edited by mediterrunio
posted by mediterrunio
anyway, a big mistake and probably a bad translation - mediterrunio, Nov 9, 2010
Ya, mediterrunio, pero yo entiendo que eso significa agradecimientos o reconocimientos. Yo me refiero a su uso como "desconocimiento". Parece que no existe - cogumela, Nov 9, 2010
¿pues como iba yo a saber que quiere decir desconocimiento en ese extracto? :-D Podria ser ´confirmación.´ Nunca leí esa palabra en mis 30 años de inglés. - mediterrunio, Nov 9, 2010
that word unexists!! - mediterrunio, Nov 9, 2010
;) jeje - cogumela, Nov 9, 2010
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Oh no.. I can't understand why "used to reading" to + ing ? I can't get on with to/ing

I'm not surprised that it confuses you, because 'used to' is also used to express 'habitual actions in the past' -

I used to read every day but now I don't have enough free time. (In the past I read every day..)

Solía leer cada día pero actualmente no tengo suficiente tiempo libre.

However, to use it for a current/ongoing situation where it translates as 'to be accustomed to', one needs to use the 'ing' ending, -

I am used to reading every day. (I am accustomed to reading every day..)

Suelo leer cada día.

As you know, Cogu, I'm not advanced in Spanish, and not an expert in English grammar, but this is my understanding of the difference.

updated Nov 17, 2010
posted by galsally
Very helpful Gal. Thanks! Not advanced in Spanish? You ? ... let me I doubt it:) - cogumela, Nov 17, 2010
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For my part "unknowledge" equates to something "unknown". And yes, I think it has been badly translated.

updated Nov 10, 2010
posted by Eddy
It's the most logical explanation I think. Probably the translator's native language is Spanish or some other language where that pair of words do exist (like 'conocimiento' and 'desconocimiento') - bill1111, Nov 10, 2010
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"The possibility of a genetical connective tissue disorder as an unknowledge of the basis that correlate the biomaterials´s structure with the wall´s biochemical and mechanical behaviour, involve..."

The O E D includes it (as a synonym of "ignorance") and labels it as "obsolete". Their most current citation is from 1593.

""genetical" should be "genetic". I fail to see how a "genetic disorder" can be equated to "ignorance". "correlate" should be "correlates" ("basis" is singular). "biomaterials´s" should be either "biomaterial´s" or "biomaterials´"

In sum, I doubt that that sentence was produced by a native speaker of English.

updated Nov 9, 2010
posted by samdie
Very interesting, samdie. Yes, I'm pretty sure, it was not produced by a native speaker. It's logical from the point of view that English is being imposed to scientist, obviously they are not experts in languages. - cogumela, Nov 9, 2010
I mean "imposed" between commas, of course. - cogumela, Nov 9, 2010
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According to thefreedictionary...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Unknowledged

Un`knowl´edged a. 1. Not acknowledged or recognized.

For which bounty to us lent

Of him unknowledged or unsent. - B. Jonson.

Although this example cites Ben Jonson, thefreedictionary does not have Unknowledge listed.

updated Nov 9, 2010
edited by pesta
posted by pesta
Also, dictionary.reference.com lists the same entry, indicating it as obsolete. - pesta, Nov 9, 2010
Thanks a lot, Pesta! - cogumela, Nov 9, 2010
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As far as I know neither "unknowledgement" nor "unknowledge" are real words in English.

updated Nov 9, 2010
posted by --Mariana--