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English grammar - Using "their" in the singular?

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Milagro asked a question about using their with everybody.

Everybody has their own style.

Now, I know there's going to be some debate about whether you should use everybody or everyone, but that's not the question. Their was originally a plural word. It has become very common to use it in a singular sense - Someone left their ring on the sink.

I suspect that this came about mostly out of political correctness. English does share the same general rule with Spanish that when the gender is unknown, or when there is a group with mixed gender, you should use the masculine. This type of thing came under fire in the 1960's with the movement to reduce the inherent sexism of the language. "Mailman" was replaced with "mail carrier", "steward" and "stewardess" were replaced with "flight attendant", etc.

Anyway, my point is that I feel that "their" has come to be commonly used with both singular and plural nouns.

Your turn.

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updated Oct 23, 2010
edited by KevinB
posted by KevinB

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Being a few months older than some I may say with confidence that "their" was

always thus, mind you when I was young it was quite easy to differentiate

between the Blokes and the Sheilas. the latter wore dresses, and the former

long pants, although we did wear shorts ,so if "their" legs were hairy and covered in

scabs,it was a fair old bet that "their" owners were blokes. There was an exception ,

"Ginger Mary" had the roughest and hairiest legs of all time, it was not untill

Puberty that we, and "Ginger Mary " realised that he/she was a bloke named Gordon

Their mam had been gifted a stack of Sheilas clothes so that is all he/she wore .

Ginger Mary continued wearing female garb untill we delicately pointed out that

he made quite a presentable Bloke ,but a "drop dead shocking Sheila.

He acquiesced, and started to wear "longuns" like us,but he was always known as

Ginger mary, I wonder is there a young person today who is saying to friends ,

"Come home and meet my grandad "Ginger Mary" ?

updated Oct 23, 2010
posted by ray76
Ha! Great story. Interesting, though. I understood every word you said, but I wonder how many English learners know words like "sheila", "bloke", "mam", "drop dead shocking", etc. - KevinB, Oct 22, 2010
Actually, I was stunned when an Irish women in Dublin told me she couldn't understand a word I said, and asked her husband, who had been to Disney World once, to translate. - KevinB, Oct 22, 2010
Of course, my wife (born in Virginia) went to graduate school in Georgia, and had to translate for 2 fellow students, one from Long Island, New York, the other from Charleston, South Carolina. - KevinB, Oct 22, 2010
Thank you Kevin. I thought of that of course ,but decided that there are a ton of American expressions that I and maybe otheres do not quite comprehend ,so an occasional latteral move may be in order, what say ye to that?? - ray76, Oct 23, 2010
Hey, I've been to Brisbane on business. I can speak stralian. At least well enough to order a stubbie. - KevinB, Oct 23, 2010
Did you know that "Stubbies" are also "shorts" the wearing kind ,short - shorts.Love "Brissy," When we fly up there the Pilot announces " Please turn your clocks back 50 years" not necessarily a bad thing though. - ray76, Oct 23, 2010
That post really made me crack up Ray! - galsally, Oct 23, 2010
Glad to be of service folks! - ray76, Oct 23, 2010
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I thought "their" was used in the singular or plural sense all along. I'm trying to think of the alternatives...

Everybody has his or her own style.

Everybody has his own style.

It is actually something I have never considered. Now you have me thinking Kevin. wink

updated Oct 23, 2010
posted by Nicole-B
I agree. It's very common now, but I think it's been a change over the last 40-50 years. It didn't used to be correct. - KevinB, Oct 22, 2010
Well that was before I was able to speak, hence my confusion. jejej - Nicole-B, Oct 22, 2010
Same here, I never really thought about it before, it's just something that is always heard, then repeated, so it becomes natural to not question it. - amykay, Oct 22, 2010
you sound funny Nicole, when you say that now you are thinking about it haha. - Milagro1983, Oct 23, 2010
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Yes, it is a dilemma for some of us. I did read a book by Marge Piercy a few decades ago; the book was situated at some unidentified time in the future, and the characters had a gender neutral equivalent to "his/her", which was "per" (derived from "person"). I thought it was an ingenious suggestion, but apparently it never caught on.

updated Oct 23, 2010
posted by mountaingirl123
Unfotunately "per" is already in use. I'd love to have a completely gender-neutral language, but some of the suggestions have been pretty silly. I refuse to use s/he, though I do consciously try to alternate he and she when writing. - KevinB, Oct 22, 2010
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One Must Wash Their Hands

The Queen would notapprove !

One must wash one's hands smile

updated Oct 23, 2010
posted by sheila-foster
Would she cause the - ray76, Oct 23, 2010
I shall start again. Would the "Royal We " be paramount? - ray76, Oct 23, 2010
We must wash our hands after we wee? ;) - galsally, Oct 23, 2010
I think it should be "ones hands " after "ones" not sure about about after "twos"? probably "steam clean" - ray76, Oct 23, 2010
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impersonal they, them their(s) to refer to singular

One Must Wash Their Hands: Using 'They' in the Singular and Impersonal

updated Oct 23, 2010
edited by 0074b507
posted by 0074b507
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I find it quite easy to discern mens' rings from womens' rings raspberry

All my English teachers have been fine with using their in a singular sense. I'm not very old, so i'm not sure if this came about as people began to become more politically correct.

updated Oct 22, 2010
posted by Harman_M
I thought about the ring thing. Substitute "moldy food in the break room refrigerator". - KevinB, Oct 22, 2010
It was just a joke :) I believe their has become acceptable to use in the singular and that it perhaps is a result of the political correctness movement. We have been known to butcher our language to make things easier... - Harman_M, Oct 22, 2010
Ha! I'm all for easier. Substituting "wait person" for "waiter" or "waitress" just bugs me, though. I'll accept "server". Simpler is better. - KevinB, Oct 22, 2010