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What is the reasoning for "yo" in this situation?

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The sentence is "No diréis que os lo bebo yo". Doesn't the fact that bebo is already conugated negate the need for "yo" and why would it even be put after the verb? Thank you for your help!

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updated Apr 10, 2012
posted by akreder
Good Question :) - FELIZ77, Sep 19, 2010
Interesting questioin, welcome to the forum, getting my vote;) - 00494d19, Sep 19, 2010

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Good question! Here that "yo" in that position feels almost necessary, but an explanation for these colloquial cases is too technical and impractical, especially because there is no clear-cut rule. If you say:

No he sido.

Every native would wonder "¿Sido? ¿Has sido... qué?" It would be like saying "I wasn't" (or worse) without any supporting context. The sentence sounds awfully incomplete. However,

No he sido yo.

clearly means "It wasn't me." You could always try to justify the use of "yo" by saying that it is used in a contrastive manner, but the truth is, you just need to learn these colloquial sentences by hearing how natives intonate them and what sort of overtones they have depending on their intention. You can't learn this by reading explanations, I'm afraid.

updated May 20, 2012
posted by lazarus1907
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No diréis que os lo bebo yo

I was just going to say, makes no sense, when I found this, very old "Lazarillo de Tormes":

No diréis, tío, que os lo bebo yo -decía-, pues no le quitáis de la mano.

He is actually referring to the wine he is robbing a blind guy.

and he is saying: Hey, you are not saying it is ME who is drinking it!

Very old fashioned structure.

updated May 20, 2012
posted by 00494d19
whew.... - margaretbl, Sep 19, 2010
And that's why it needed the yo- for emphasis. Makes total sense now. - Goyo, Sep 19, 2010
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No diréis que os lo bebo yo Ok, what am I missing? I do Not understand that in Spanish..... Don't say that you (all) drink it - me? What????

updated May 20, 2012
posted by margaretbl
You're right. I thought it said "debo yo." - lazarus1907, Sep 19, 2010
I don't quite get it either. "You guys won't say that I am drinking it for you," is what I come up with. After much thought. lol. - Goyo, Sep 19, 2010
... yikes, I think I'll just go back to bed.... - margaretbl, Sep 19, 2010
margaret, look at my answer - 00494d19, Sep 19, 2010
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It's a bit like in the north of England when someone says "I love pies, me!" (It looks tautological but it's an emphasis)

updated Apr 10, 2012
posted by alanito
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I could be completely wrong, but I'm reading it as...

Don't you guys go around saying that ***I*** am drinking up all your {beer/wine/water/whatever}.

More literally:

Don't you all say ***I*** am drinking it all up on/from you.

You guys won't go around saying that I am the one who drank your {beer/wine/whatever} all up.

More literally: You won't say I am the one who drank it all up on/from you.

updated Apr 10, 2012
edited by webdunce
posted by webdunce
Webdunce you could be right :) - FELIZ77, Sep 19, 2010
Well that is what Greg is saying too but then, shouldn't it be 'se' insteadof 'os' - margaretbl, Sep 19, 2010
@Margaret, assuming I'm right at all, I would suppose se lo bebo yo = I am drinking it up while os lo bebo yo = I am drinking it up on/from you guys. I don't think you can have os and se there, and os would be sufficient. But that's me guessing, really. - webdunce, Sep 19, 2010
sorry I meant 'se lo bebo yo' but the more I look at your idea the more I am liking it... - margaretbl, Sep 19, 2010
web, that was it, good one - 00494d19, Sep 19, 2010
One bad mistake...I took no diréis to be the imperative, but it is future tense. XD - webdunce, Sep 19, 2010
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and why would it (yo) even be put after the verb

Well, in Spanish there isn't the rigid subject-verb pattern as in English. They can leave the subject out, put it before the verb or put it after the verb.

There seem to be some cases where putting the subject after the verb is preferred (but not absolutely required). Gustar is an example of a verb where the subject usually follows the verb. Passive SE is another.

I'm sure other reasons for subject placement are too subtle for me to fully understand, but Spanish is very flexible on it.

updated Sep 19, 2010
posted by webdunce
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Heidita, wow, i'm impressed you found that. That is actually what I was reading! I have it in a book with a translation on the facing page. In the translation it does not suggest a stress on the "Me", therefore I wasn't sure if I was completely missing some sentence structure. It still does not quite make much sense to me to say it this way as I wouldn't stress it in this fashion even in English. Thank you all for the clarification! I'm trying to teach myself and this website has been an amazing help!

updated Sep 19, 2010
posted by akreder
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I agree with Alanito. And, incidently, we do the same in Welsh English, though, in some parts of South Wales the verb would be conjugated in the second person - 'I loves pies me'.

Irrespective of the complexities of the meaning of the complete sentence, I'd take the 'tautological' 'yo' as adding stress to the fact that the person does not want it said that HE/SHE did the drinking.

Consider the differences that stressing different words in a sentence makes in English:

DON'T tell them that I'm drinking it - here we are stressing that the information is not to be recounted.

Don't tell them that I'm drinking it (with the stress on the I) - here it's implied that it's fine to talk about the drinking, just not who did the drinking...

To my mind, adding the 'yo' adds the stress, or even more stress, that emphasising the word 'I' does in English.

Cheers, Alex

updated Sep 19, 2010
posted by afowen