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¡Ya basta con el BP!

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I'm done, I say the US government revokes their rights to be there. Remove them and bring in government engineers. Cap that well forever and start reviewing all the rules and regulations for drilling everywhere. I do not believe that oil workers who can drill and extract oil at that depth do not have a method of correcting a problem such as this. It is my opinion that they are trying to 'save' it because of the revenue. I say stop it now.

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updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by margaretbl
Would you close down the 100s of other such rigs Margaret? - ian-hill, Jun 8, 2010
I'd like to see BP banned from drilling in the U.S. for it's stupidity and carelessness, but is that realistically going to happen? - --Mariana--, Jun 8, 2010
I would make them all demonstrate their fail proof safety plans asap. - margaretbl, Jun 8, 2010
Actually Margaret, I read something of that instance in the news. Let's hope it's not just fake news - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
BP has yet to be found "guilty" of anything that other oil companies are not also guilty of. - ian-hill, Jun 8, 2010
Calma! No one said that - we are calmly discussing solutions. You have seen mine. - margaretbl, Jun 8, 2010

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After some thought about whether this is the correct site for expressions of feelings regarding the BP issue I want to say that I am so pleased to read how some of you feel. And there is NO place that is inappropriate.

The disaster may be world changing. We know that it has already been terrible. I hope that one of the changes is an end to practices that serve selfish human demands without regard for addressing negative global consequences.

Tenemos que encontrar otra manera de vivir o no vamos a vivir.

updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by lynneweixel
Great post, thank you. - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
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Suppose you found yourself trapped in a room full of crooks. Were someone in that room to steal your wallet would you want that crook to make restitution and face criminal charges for his misdeed or would you simply let it slide saying, "Oh, well. If it hadn't been him, somebody else would have done it.....Might as well let this one go." shut eye

It's too bad that if any restitution is made, it will never amount to what was really taken away....You can't buy back the environment, neither is there enough money in the world to pay for 11 lost lives.

updated Jun 8, 2010
edited by Izanoni1
posted by Izanoni1
Perfect. - --Mariana--, Jun 8, 2010
Estoy de acuerdo. - Nicole-B, Jun 8, 2010
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Jaja, finally, I'm not the only one getting pissed off about the oil spill, only my post got shut down because it was offending some that don't get it. Margaret, I believe you are touching a crucial point. Yes BP has made attempts at containing the leak but NO BP never attempted to completely burry the darn thing. Incompetence? Or voluntary incompetence? I am no expert but I know the saying "there is no smoke without a fire." Shouldn't BP turn to the Arab emirates engineers to give them a hand? After all they know quite a bit about drilling and exploiting oil.

Here is an idea, I am no engineer but it's worth a try in my opinion. Since they had a pipe inserted 900 ft in the pipeline and were siphoning some oil out to relieve the leak why couldn't they insert 5 or 10 balloons in there and inflate them to finally stop the leak? And if they laugh at this idea then I will laugh even louder to the mud injection idea. What about inserting explosive charges deep inside the pipeline? Don't we have experts in the military?

Cap that well forever and start reviewing all the rules and regulations for drilling everywhere

You wish might be answered. President Obama said quote "He wouldn't be working for me after any of those statements" (if he had been working for him) after the BP executive last month complained about the amount of time he is spending dealing with the disaster, saying "I would like my life back," and also played down the spill's effect. The Gulf was "a big ocean," he said, adding "the environmental impact of this disaster is likely to be very, very modest." Who knows, the movement might grow. Also authorizations for deep drilling are frozen for 6 months and I read legislations might be drastically changed.

On the other end authorization for deep-drilling are not given by law but by exceptions to rules put in place by 3 or 4 agencies (coastguards, environment, mineral, etc.) Some of those agencies penalize companies for breaking the rules but also are paid some "dues" from those same companies (conflict of interest.) An example of those exceptions: safety valves must be tested at operating depth - company response: we cannot test at that kind of depth - agency response: ok then if you assure us it's safe we make an exception (this is a very shortened explanation of the process.) So who is to be blamed?

Please let's keep away of enraged political discussion so that this post doesn't get shut down too (might not be when oil reaches Spain though.) This is a nationwide issue and I believe it is our right to insist publicly that something be done. Stop the lies, condamn the well and make the responsible parties pay for the dammage done.

Update: the oil has reached Florida now and they already found dead dolphins. Also the hurricane season has started so eventually the 30 million gallons (estimated) of crude oil might disperse all over the world. Considering the situation might not be handled properly for several more months we will probably be talking about 50+ million gallons. I am not sure if I should laugh or cry!

updated Jun 8, 2010
edited by sfrenchie
posted by sfrenchie
Thankyou, business does not trump the environment, hopefully they will understand that. - margaretbl, Jun 8, 2010
Balloon idea sounds good to me. - ian-hill, Jun 8, 2010
Cheap, quick to put in place, I think it could work...so why don't they do it? It's not like I am a rocket scientist but hey, they came up with mud lol. - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
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Huh, you're calling that a mistake? I call that a criminal act seeing they knew weeks before there were major problems. A mistake is "boom"...oh darn, what happened there? A crime is "hey boss, something is wrong there"..."do as I tell you and keep your mouth shut or you're fired!"

updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by sfrenchie
Is there evidence that they knew about major problems that could lead to this disaster? If so, yes, it's criminal. - --Mariana--, Jun 8, 2010
Yes there are. Several employees testified reporting such issues before congressman "forgot his name" that started a criminal investigation. - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
There are several repots concerning augmentation of gas pressure in the week and days before the explosion. - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
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I do not believe that oil workers who can drill and extract oil at that depth do not have a method of correcting a problem such as this.

I agree that it seems totally impossible that someone at BP did not have a plan to stop the oil flow in case of emergency. That's just unimaginable.

I don't believe that they are deliberately failing to stop the leak, I just think that they screwed up big by not having a plan for this kind of thing.

I would ban the company from drilling in U.S. waters, but who knows if that's a realistic punishment. Can we really afford to get rid of BP as a penalty for their stupidity and carelessness? I hope so.

updated Jun 8, 2010
edited by --Mariana--
posted by --Mariana--
BP is not the only responsible party in this ordeal, other companies are and let's not forget former governments. - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
I meant "governmental agencies" - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
There was not a single UK citizen on that rig. Ban BP and then see how many US companies are banned for for doing the same - ian-hill, Jun 8, 2010
No one is saying ban anyone or anyone's citizens, I am saying that a solution M U S T be found for the good of the citizens of the earth. There is no blame game going on, we are looking for solutions here. - margaretbl, Jun 8, 2010
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I say we all pack our bags and move to Mars. Not Kidding.

The government is going to try to ruin the entire planet, no doubt.

I may be "just a kid" in some peoples eyes, but I know a lot more than I am given credit for.

If the government wanted to clean up the oil, they would have already.

I think, just like Micheal Jackson's murder case - the oil "spill" was purposed.

Have you noticed all of the people (mostly famous that you hear about) dieing off? Well if you do a little research, you could most likely find that most of the deaths were purposed.

I am not going to say anymore......

I just think the oil spill was planned and that something else is going to happen next.

I do not believe that oil workers who can drill and extract oil at that depth do not have a method of correcting a problem such as this. It is my opinion that they are trying to 'save' it because of the revenue. I say stop it now.

updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by princessjane
Princess I am glad that finally a young person gives us her opinion. - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
:P - princessjane, Jun 8, 2010
Are you thinking about terrorists having access to atomic bomb...because that would be my next guess. - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
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Hey Ian, it's nothing personal against BP or UK, it's against being fed up with big guys thinking they can break the rules without paying for the consequences. I would be pissed off the same if it was Esso, Shell, Exxon or any other oil company. Think about it...what if instead of an oil catastrophe it was a nuclear one. So they would/could say, "oops, huh we were not prepared for that! Sowwy and don't worry, we'll cleanup." We have seen that in the past haven't we? Talking about that (Chernobyl) did you all know the casket they put on top of it is eroding and kind of falling apart (it was built to last only 30 years)? They have done intense reparation on it but it will not last forever…the radioactivity will though. So there again, we are not saved and safe, how many decades later? How many of those catastrophes will it take before a government shows the example, pound their fist on the table and says "enough" and of course takes measures accordingly.

updated Jun 8, 2010
edited by sfrenchie
posted by sfrenchie
You are making perfect sense to me, hmm. (I woke up at 5:30 worrying about this maybe I should go back to bed). - margaretbl, Jun 8, 2010
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Hey Ian, it's nothing personal against BP or UK, it's against being fed up with big guys thinking they can break the rules without paying for the consequences.

I agree. I'd be just as ticked off if it were a company from the U.S.

updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by --Mariana--
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Shut down all the oil companies - why don't ya?

No can do. That would mean shutting down everything that is unsafe...ouch, oil wells, chemical plants, nuclear plants, fast foods, etc. Interesting to see that Mac Donalds recalled some collectible glasses because there was a tiny amount of possibly toxic paint on them since the consumers are very well protected by law but we can't do anything about 30+ million gallons of poison.

updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by sfrenchie
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BP has yet to be found "guilty" of anything that other oil companies are not also guilty of.

Article

Meanwhile, the Washington Post reported Tuesday that a series of internal investigations over the past decade had found BP repeatedly disregarded safety and environmental rules.

The Post article, by non-profit journalism organization ProPublica, said a series of accidents before the explosion on Deepwater Horizon meant BP faced a possible ban on new U.S. drilling leases and federal contracting, citing former Environmental Protection Agency officials.

"They are a recurring environmental criminal and they do not follow U.S. health safety and environmental policy," said Jeanne Pascal, a former EPA lawyer who led its BP investigations, told ProPublica.

In 1999, BP pleaded guilty to illegal dumping at an offshore drilling field in Alaska, the article reported. To avoid a contract cancellation with the federal government, the company agreed to a five-year probationary plan with the EPA.

Less than a year later, employees complained to an independent arbitrator that the company was letting equipment and critical safety systems languish at its Greater Prudhoe Bay drilling field, the article said.

BP hired independent experts to investigate and they identified systemic problems in maintenance and inspections and warned BP that it faced a "fundamental culture of mistrust" by its workers.

The experts' report said that "unacceptable" maintenance backlogs ballooned as BP tried to sustain profits despite declining production, the ProPublica article said.

Hayward become chief executive in 2007 and has made commitments to reform the company.

Toby Odone, a company spokesman, told ProPublica that the notion that BP has ongoing problems addressing worker concerns was "essentially groundless."

He said under Hayward the company had worked to ensure there were "responsible operations at every BP operation."

Meanwhile, it was also reported that the International Energy Agency (IEA) may cut Gulf of Mexico oil output estimates by as much as 300,000 barrels per day by 2015 on potentially tighter U.S. laws on deepwater drilling because of the spill.

"Our tentative estimates is that we will have to revise our forecasts for Gulf production for 2015 downwards. Our preliminary estimate is that we will have to cut by 100,000 to 300,000 barrels per day," Richard Jones, IEA deputy executive director said in Tuesday.

updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by sfrenchie
Just because other oil companies do it doesn't make it right, Ian. We have to start somewhere and make them all accountable for their criminal/negligent actions. Why not start with BP? They're certainly guilty enough. - --Mariana--, Jun 8, 2010
Innocent until proved guilty - thought that was the idea in the U S A too. - ian-hill, Jun 8, 2010
When is the last time you've been in the U.S. lol? - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
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That's OK, as we speak they are developing this new technology.

[link text][1]

[1]: Cuban-American residing in Ecuador saves planet from Gulf's oil spill.

updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by 00813f2a
:-) - --Mariana--, Jun 8, 2010
Will you still remember us when you become famous? :) - Nicole-B, Jun 8, 2010
What do you mean??? I'm here ain't I? - 00813f2a, Jun 8, 2010
Oh my God, Robertico....you said "ain't" and I'm shocked! I thought you were too well educated to use that word. - --Mariana--, Jun 8, 2010
Oh, I'm sorry...I just thought it sounded better with a joke. :( - 00813f2a, Jun 8, 2010
hmmmm...I'm not educated, I'm civilized :) - 00813f2a, Jun 8, 2010
Jejeje...yes, you are very civilized. Teaching Tao makes you that way. - --Mariana--, Jun 8, 2010
and Yoga too. :)) - 00813f2a, Jun 8, 2010
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This is the third thread about BP, I do understand the problem and concern this is causing, but I hope you understand that this has been discussed now once too often.

updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by 00494d19
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Please let's keep away of enraged political discussion so that this post doesn't get shut down too (might not be when oil reaches Spain though.)

I wonder what that was supposed to mean. Are you implying that I am not concerned because this is too far away from us?

I would like to be able to remember when the last time was that you discussed Spanish and the language.

I will not allow you to attack or insult anybody else. I hope this has been clear enough.

updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by 00494d19
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Boy - here we go again.

Shut down all the oil companies - why don't ya?

updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by ian-hill
Not a bad idea actually. The world economy crumbles. We must resort to earth for a living, kind of like a rebearth :0) - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
What would you have us do...nothing? We have to start making them accountable sometime..the time is now. - --Mariana--, Jun 8, 2010
agreeable - princessjane, Jun 8, 2010
H O W -? By telling them to go away? - they are the only people trying to solve the problem. - ian-hill, Jun 8, 2010
actually, not even human form is trying to stop the oil! - princessjane, Jun 8, 2010
Yes, they tried, now they should go away and the US government should try to find the solution. I have at least a half dozen engineers in my immediate family and every one of them has a full proof method for fixing this. - margaretbl, Jun 8, 2010
Don't get me wrong, I love engineers but now it is time for a 'big picture' solution, not a narrow specific one! - margaretbl, Jun 8, 2010
Remind me of the definition of engineers plz. Isn't it those guys that are overpaid and it takes 5 of them to come up with a solution a 10 yo already knew :0) - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010
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..... leave it up to BP since they are supposed to be "experts" on the subject ....

Right....They've done a fabulous job so far. These are the same "experts" who had no plan in place to fix an accidental leak.

How sad that one mistake can cause damage in half the world.

I agree. This breaks my heart.

updated Jun 8, 2010
posted by --Mariana--
Marianne - if there are better experts where are they? And why have they done nothing so far? - ian-hill, Jun 8, 2010
Because BP has control of the operations...for now. - sfrenchie, Jun 8, 2010