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Is it bad to split infinitives in English ?

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Is it really bad to split infinitives in English ?

I just want to start a debate about English. grin

Example to go boldly or to boldly go

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updated Dec 21, 2015
edited by ian-hill
posted by ian-hill
Been watching Star Trek much have we? - Izanoni1, Mar 2, 2010
A long time ago Iza. :) - ian-hill, Mar 2, 2010
In a galaxy far, far away? - Izanoni1, Mar 2, 2010
I see we have all been watching a little too much Star Trek! - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010
...actually, I think that one might have been from Star Wars. 8P - Izanoni1, Mar 2, 2010
Sorry!...I'm not up on movie "quotes".! - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010
NO! that one is from Shrek jeje - teresa3101, Mar 3, 2010
Sorry mate I have to - quickly - get my dinner ready , but here is a vote to go on with , to - surely- make you happy. - ray76, Dec 19, 2015

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It's well recognised that English grammar is descriptive rather than prescriptive. There is no English equivalent of the RAE or L'Académie française to lay down any laws. English is changing all the time, according to popular usage. If enough writers want to split, then split will be the norm.

updated May 17, 2011
posted by peterpierre2
They may lack official imprimature but there has been no shortage of people who wrote/write prescriptive grammars. - samdie, Mar 2, 2010
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Izanoni said:

So who are the real thieves in this scenario - the people reared in a centuries long tradition of using the split infinitive form, or the people who "stole" this right from them by banning its use?

I wonder then....are you implying that your "poetic license" is a license to steal?

I would argue that this little "history story" of "disenfranchised word usage" simply drives home my point. Namely this: The people reared in the tradition of the split infinitives form were simply using the flexibility of the English language well. When a well-intentioned group of people attempted to label split infinitives "bad", it only served to limit our enjoyment and confuse our rules with English grammar. I do not look at this as our language "evolving" at all, but as an attempt by a group of people to dictate opinion into grammar usage. Therefore, no one can steal anything, as long as the foundation of English grammar is preserved.

updated Mar 3, 2010
posted by renaerules
Guess who voted for you Renae :) - ian-hill, Mar 3, 2010
Let me see....hmmmm....wow, that's a tough one!.....gosh! - renaerules, Mar 3, 2010
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What is cool about Spanish is you CANT split them!

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updated Dec 21, 2015
posted by Daniela2041
Yes, I love Star Trek. - Daniela2041, Dec 20, 2015
Yes one of my first ever questions was on that subject and they gave me heeps over it , in those days you had to be able to stand the heat if you wanted to be in the kitchen with the big girls and boys. - ray76, Dec 20, 2015
:) - ian-hill, Dec 20, 2015
Heat doesn't bother a F Y S. :) - Daniela2041, Dec 21, 2015
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We cannot use the excuse that if enough people improperly apply grammar rules, that this justifies their error. That's like saying, "Well, if enough people think it is right to steal then it should be acceptable by law."

This is an interesting analysis in that the use of split infinitives presupposes the proscription against split infinitives by at least a couple of centuries. Not only that, but the contention that split infinitives is somehow an incorrect usage has had its share of opposition since it was initially suggested (similar to the superlative of three argument).

So who are the real thieves in this scenario - the people reared in a centuries long tradition of using the split infinitive form, or the people who "stole" this right from them by banning its use?

I wonder then....are you implying that your "poetic license" is a license to steal?

updated Dec 19, 2015
edited by Izanoni1
posted by Izanoni1
What sayeth thou Renae? Shall we all speak as Shakespeare? - ian-hill, Mar 2, 2010
Languages either evolve or they don't Ian....you can't have it both ways. - Izanoni1, Mar 2, 2010
I have somehow found myself between two of the better debaters on SpanishDict! Definitely a stimulating conversation! I havn't given up on this one! Be back later..I know you will both be holding your breath until I finish! Or should I hold mine? - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010
Iza - I don't want it both ways - I want it A L L ways :) - ian-hill, Mar 3, 2010
Oh mate, "really "! - ray76, Dec 19, 2015
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Picasso broke all the rules and created a new art form or at least a new form of art,

updated Dec 19, 2015
posted by ian-hill
:) - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010
;) - ray76, Dec 19, 2015
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Writers should learn to not split infinitives.

Splitting infinitives is one way to truly prove a lack of understanding of the English language.

Anyone who would try to erroneously contend otherwise is either a fool or a liar.

To really see for yourself, you might try to quickly check with any grammar resource that you have handy.

updated Dec 19, 2015
edited by Izanoni1
posted by Izanoni1
Hear ye, Hear ye...the shortest response in Izanoni's history! - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010
How did he manage that I wonder? - ian-hill, Mar 2, 2010
I'm sorry renae, but you´ve lost all credibility with me....I don't trust anyone who rides G R E E N horses, no matter how masterfully they might ride them. ;) - Izanoni1, Mar 2, 2010
Wow....You guys are really piling on there aren't you....If I would have known that this was going to be a tag team event, I would have brought my partner - Izanoni1, Mar 2, 2010
;) There are so many naughty retorts coming to mind right now...but I'll be good! - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010
I've got my partner - as you have noticed Iza. :) - ian-hill, Mar 2, 2010
Haha! Well done Izanoni! - Aaron_w, Mar 2, 2010
You are one of the "giants" mate , and always will be. - ray76, Dec 19, 2015
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It most definitly is not "bad" to split infinitives in English. "Split infinitives" are what make the body of language so "flexible". (Pardon me! I could not resist the word pun) Just as a gymnast would not be considered flexible without splits so much the same the English language would not be "flexible" without "split infinitives". I think it stimulates an ordinary sentence when adding a split infinitive.

An example:

I want to ride masterfully the green horse.

I want to masterfully ride the green horse.

The second sentence obviously lends to a better emphasis on the word "masterfully". This causes the intention of the writer to be better understood before details are given. I don't know about you, but I always like to convey my intentions with my word usage as best as possible, while at the same time, not making "bad" word choices. In this case, we can all see that "split infinitives" are not a bad choice, but a fun choice.

updated Mar 3, 2010
posted by renaerules
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I am going to very quickly post this because it is interesting.

updated Dec 21, 2015
posted by ray76
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It's one of the rules I think makes sense and try to follow.

"I do not want to go" is preferable to: I want to not go.

Oh, sorry--I never mess with trekkies and their rules! LOL LOL

updated Dec 21, 2015
edited by Aamos
posted by Aamos
Or I want not to go - ian-hill, Mar 2, 2010
I don't want to go? - Kerri, Mar 2, 2010
"To go I want not", said Yoda. - Daniela2041, Dec 21, 2015
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You hit on right the head, prespectively it is wrong to spilit infinitves, but people do it all the time. English lacks an offical body to approve and standarized changes.

updated Dec 21, 2015
posted by BellaMargarita
Ian IS the official body , well we allow him to be only coz he is sooo good. - ray76, Dec 21, 2015
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Err..in the example given, I would say "to go boldly," just based on the fact that it has more umph to my ear. Also, to go boldly sounds a little odd. I'm sorry that I cannot be of more help.

updated Dec 19, 2015
posted by Kerri
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Peterpierre, This argument that English is always changing according to the norm just does not hold water. We cannot use the excuse that if enough people improperly apply grammar rules, that this justifies their error. That's like saying, "Well, if enough people think it is right to steal then it should be acceptable by law." I am simply making the point that, yes, our grammar rules need to stay consistent, while we take our poetic license in its chosen moments.

updated Mar 3, 2010
posted by renaerules
I agree with that :) - ian-hill, Mar 2, 2010
No, not improperly applying grammar rules, which are debatable. I disagree with the analogy. - peterpierre2, Mar 2, 2010
There are lots of examples that English had changed because of the majority of people using it had taken a slight turn in either the spelling or pronunciation. Dialects are a prime example. - peterpierre2, Mar 2, 2010
My premise is that English is a living language and is still changing. - peterpierre2, Mar 2, 2010
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Well written, Renaerules, and I agree with you, there are exceptions to the rule. If a person knows the rule and knowingly "breaks" it for better meaning, that is good. I shouldn't have been so rigid.

....she was able to completely and exquisitely conquer her competition in the final solo

has a lilt that the alternative

.....she was able to conquer, completely and exquisitely, her competition in the final solo

does not.

THanks for reminding me to loosen up!

updated Mar 3, 2010
posted by Aamos
Thanks for reminding me to value everyone's opinion and for an interesting discussion! - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010
I like your play on words, by the way! How can you loosen up without a few split infinitives here and there?! - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010
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Ah yes - that old "chestnut". Everyone knows to not split infinitives grin ..... just as no one ever ends a sentence with a preposition...... "I" before "E" except after "C"..... Can anyone else think of any more "nuggets " of wisdom? wink

updated Mar 3, 2010
posted by patch
We gotta've some rules ain't we? - ian-hill, Mar 2, 2010
But never start a sentence with but OK? - ian-hill, Mar 2, 2010
On the preposition rule---as Churchill said: "that is the kind of nonsense up with which I will not put!" - Aamos, Mar 2, 2010
Lovely stuff Aamos :) - ian-hill, Mar 2, 2010
"poetic license" in its purest form! Churchill was a genius. Been taking lessons from him Izanoni? - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010
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Your arguments are "logical", Izanoni, but you can fight logic with "license". English allows the writer a certain license to play with sentence structure in order to achieve a desired emphasis or poetic value.

updated Mar 3, 2010
posted by renaerules
Hopefully, it has not escaped your notice that each of the sentences above uses a split infinitive to emphatically call attention to this very fact...but I suppose by your "logical reasoning" arguments that this has passed by unnoticed.... - Izanoni1, Mar 2, 2010
I noticed - honest I did Iza :) - ian-hill, Mar 2, 2010
No, actually I thought it was very creative and fascinating the way you used irony to drive home a point, yet make it clear that you don't entirely believe your own statements. I spent too much time smiling over your entry! Genius! - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010
I still felt it necessary to address your stringent statements. :) - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010
The statements were stringent, as you have said, to highlight there absurdity.... - Izanoni1, Mar 2, 2010
Isn't it funny, we love this so much we are disagreeing to agree! - renaerules, Mar 2, 2010