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Stunning: Surrendered Wives

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The Surrendered Wife In the battle of the sexes there dissent in the ranks. Hard won equality is being surrendered by a new breed of women who are happy to let their men take charge. So when some promise to love, honour and obey; they mean it. Obedient wives, a rare breed of women who would rather iron trousers than wear them.

the women who have decided that the recipe for marital bliss lies in obedience, submissiveness and domesticity.... spend her days as a housewife looking after her accountant husband and their four children. And 26-year-old mother and wife Crystal believes that a wife’s primary role is to support and assist her husband. She thinks that wives who work are selfish and that a good wife knows when to keep her mouth shut.

I was very surprised to see a programme on Spanish TV yesterday about this movement in the States where women willingly "surrender" to another person, namely her husbands. big surprise

I am so stunned I cannot believe this exists in a modern world, I am speechless, does not happen very often, trust mewink

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updated Dec 22, 2010
edited by 00494d19
posted by 00494d19
shocking, wrong category! lol - 00494d19, Nov 26, 2009

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Surrender in marriage works both ways.

While I would never go so far as to "bow my head" to anyone, in marriage as in business, I will always willingly "surrender" or change my course if someone, be it my husband or a business colleague, presents a reasoned and valid argument for my doing so.

Of course, I would expect them to do the same in return.

This attitude has, over the years, led to a number of very spirited reasoned discussions!

updated Dec 22, 2010
posted by sheila-foster
great answer, andd sorry, but I cannot agree with aloshek, - 00494d19, Jan 11, 2010
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I am among those who have come to the conclusion that there is greater freedom in surrendering myself to a man who is able to fulfill the role of protector and provider and allow him his rightful place as head of household. I don't believe that women should just bow their head to every man, but to the man who has their best interest at heart and who loves and cherishes them and is capable of honoring a woman in the way that she should be. It may seem old fashioned, but it works, it worked for centuries before, and it still works now.

updated Dec 22, 2010
edited by aloshek
posted by aloshek
Well put! - coma, Nov 26, 2009
Very well said. I agree, it is about honor. Amen! - sonja-bo-bonya, Dec 22, 2010
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True equality and freedom in marriage are found in the principles of the Bible. As Jesus Christ is the head of the Church, so is the Husband the head of the marriage. But also remember that Christ died for His Church. Marriage is a partnership of equals but each has their own duties and reponsiblities. When both partners fulfill their responsibilties faithfully the marriage is happy and successful. The Bible also tells us that the man is to love the woman as himself. As a husband, putting the needs and desires of my wife ahead of my own, protecting her and providing for her is my duty. And after 10 years of marriage it seems to be working very well.

updated Dec 22, 2010
posted by elcielo
This biblical concept of Headship was a stumbling block for me. I agree with the concept of prioritizing duties and responsibilites to minimize conflicts, but to artibtrarily fix the responsibilities according solely to gender never appealed to me. - 0074b507, Nov 27, 2009
In general it may appear that duties are gender determined but the Bible gives us plenty of examples of God calling women to fulfill His purpose when men were unwilling or unable to do so. Check out Esther in the Bible. - elcielo, Nov 28, 2009
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Aloshek, I on the other hand believe no woman should bend her head to anybody, especially not her husband. I t should be a togetherness of two people on the same level, not one below the other....

There is no such thing as a rightful place of a man in a household. In a household there are two people on an equal and balanced basis.

updated Dec 22, 2010
posted by 00494d19
bow her head....only the expression makes me sick - 00494d19, Nov 26, 2009
Oh, Heidita, there is absolute equality...allowing a man to be a protector and provider does not mean that he becomes a dictator of the family. - aloshek, Nov 26, 2009
It also does not mean that the woman becomes a slave to the whims and fancies of the man either. Maybe what I believe and practice is not the same as what is talked about in the book, I don't know. What does the book say? - aloshek, Nov 26, 2009
Perfect post, Heidita - --Mariana--, Nov 26, 2009
Does that mean that I can stop bowing to you, Heidita?! - hithere3387, Nov 26, 2009
ejejejejejjejejej, yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss lol - 00494d19, Nov 27, 2009
With all due respect, Heidita, I must disagree. In this context, it is not about power, but honor. It does not mean that the woman has no voice or authority, it is a means of respect. I'm not sure how it is portrayed in "The Surrendered Wife." - sonja-bo-bonya, Dec 22, 2010
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Since I believe the Bible is true, then I also believe that Ephesians 5:24-25 is true. However, that doesn't mean I agree with everything written in The Surrendered Wife as I have never read it.

Ephesians 5:24-25 (King James Version)

24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

(Thanks Q and Issabella for your help with this post)

updated Nov 29, 2009
edited by webdunce
posted by webdunce
Um...can anyone see what is wrong with my link? I can't seem to make it work. - webdunce, Nov 26, 2009
It works ok if you copy and paste it into a browser - silly question, but you're not trying to post it as a picture, are you? I've made that mistake before. - sheila-foster, Nov 26, 2009
Oh, I see. There is a space in the URL, but that cannot be helped. - webdunce, Nov 26, 2009
Well, sheila, you should not see the url, you should see "these verses" underlined and clickable. - webdunce, Nov 26, 2009
webdunce. For never reading the Bible you did a very good job of citing the verse I was thinking about when I wrote my comment. - elcielo, Nov 26, 2009
Ay, no! I have read the Bible. I never read the book Heidita mentioned. - webdunce, Nov 26, 2009
I have changed my post to hopefully make that more clear. - webdunce, Nov 27, 2009
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My best friend, a woman, is definitely the head of her household. You may find this shocking, but he bows his head to her....completely. He will not even answer a question without referring to her. This works for them and he is not afraid to say so.

We both bow our heads in this household, depending on the day. I deal with clinical depression and there are days that I need him to be my protector, days that I feel weak. Other days, when I am strong, I take over emotionally to give him a break.

Without this equality of bowing, we would not survive. smile

updated Nov 26, 2009
edited by sunshinzmommie
posted by sunshinzmommie
The last sentence is really good... And it´s a shame that it´s so hard to learn when to bow and to whom. - Issabela, Nov 26, 2009
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The word "should" is a very dangerous one to apply to another individual besides yourself.

If anything " should" happen in any society I hope it is along the lines of letting people do what is good for them in their private life as long as it is not harmful to themselves or others.Free will as it were.

I think these opinion threads should be written in the language that the individual is learning otherwise I do not understand why it is on this site. I would rather talk about the weather.

updated Dec 22, 2010
posted by nizhoni1
:) - aloshek, Nov 26, 2009
:) Bien dicho, from an anthropology major. - sonja-bo-bonya, Dec 22, 2010
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I don´t know why all you women are getting upset about the male being the dominant species. It stands to reason that´s the way God intended it to be. Of course women should be subservient to men and yes, even bow their heads in the presense of their men. I know for a fact that I have total rule in my household and if my wife were ever to disobey me then !!!!!

What´s that love, no I am not on the computer again, Yes, yes, yes, I have already made the beds and washed the kitchen floor. Jesus Christ, why don´t she leave me alone. Look I have to go now, I still have to do the dishes but I will finish this when she has gone out and left me in peace.

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updated Nov 28, 2009
edited by Eddy
posted by Eddy
Very funny Eddy. Still can't get the wife to wash the car? jeje - Nicole-B, Nov 28, 2009
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Here's advice from a 51 year old very married man:

  1. Remember chicas, it takes a heckuva good man to be better than none, so don't settle.

  2. Forget about what a man says. . . it's how he acts towards you that counts.

  3. If you don't tell him right away that what he's doing bugs you (like while you still care about him) it'll get to a point where you'll stop caring about him and because everything he does will bug you.

  4. A man is like a hardwood floor, girls. If you lay it right the first time you can walk all over it forever. (Okay, just checking to see if you're paying attention)

  5. Finally, as for me. When there's some issue being discussed on TV I just turn to my wife and ask, "Now what's my opinion on that again Dear?"

    Hope this helps

updated Nov 27, 2009
posted by GaryT
:))) funny... and true at times - Issabela, Nov 27, 2009
definetely getting my vote....especially for the last sentence!! lol - 00494d19, Nov 27, 2009
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Regarding "modern day" and what should or should not be; no one should submit to anyone, but if an individual chooses to be, then so be it. No offense, but you are only slightly older than my daughter who has not even begun to understand what real love and devotion is. Depending on the circumstance and/or time, my wife or myself may appear to be the submissive one. Any good relationship has partners who are not afraid to stand up or submit to the other. Any person who spends their life self reliant from the opposite sex, will be very lonely, both physically and mentally.

updated Nov 30, 2009
posted by coma
"opposite sex?" Why the qualification? I know a few very happily married same-sex couples. - 0057ed01, Nov 28, 2009
I agree. Male or female same sex couples have a partner that takes on a more masculine or feminine role. I consider it the same. - coma, Nov 30, 2009
I also feel that a person is born to feel a certain gender, regardless of genitalia. Opposite sex meaning mentally and emotionally. - coma, Nov 30, 2009
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There is an equivalent men's movement about sacrifice and focus on one's wife and children in the USA called Promise Keepers. I think these movements cropped up in the USA because our culture here is so selfish, self-absorbed, self-centered ... and we have to go out of our way to achieve the obvious such as dedicating our lives to our spouses and children. Most people here look at a wife/husband and kids as accessories or a burden. Or a mistake.

Another example would be our civil rights movement. Seems stupid to other countries perhaps that we'd have to make such an effort to be nice to each other and treat each other with fairness and justice.

Please just ignore us while we work these things out.

updated Nov 28, 2009
posted by jaysprout
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You know, some people are just submissive by nature, and enjoy submitting to someone. There are husbands that enjoy submitting to their wives, and vice-versa. Likewise, there are others who enjoy a dominant role.

It's not surprising that someone would embrace a Biblical interpretation that supports the way they already feel about something. Even though that is backwards it happens all the time with many issues.

From a Biblical perspective it is just as easy to make the point that the Genesis creation account progresses from the simple to the complex, from lesser glory to greater glory. The last thing to be created, God's crowning and most glorious, breathtaking achievement, was the woman, the crown jewel of all creation.

In the original creation in Genesis, Adam was not the head of Eve, nor was Eve submissive to Adam. Eve's submission to Adam came about as a result of the fall into sin, and from the first curse of the law given by God in Genesis 3:16. It is clear that the submission of women to men was not God's original plan, or intention, nor is it God's best.

Further, Galatians 3:13 says: Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree" So the very curse that brought women into submission to men has been rendered obsolete in Christ.

Moreover, Galatians 5:21 says we are to submit to one another, and the passage speak of the man laying down his life for his wife.

And Galatians 3:28 says-There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

In summary, I don't think the Bible demands a male dominated society, a male dominate church, or a male dominated marriage. I think that we are one in Christ, and sometimes it makes sense for the man to submit to the woman, and vice versa. (Especially if they enjoy it that way.)

updated Nov 28, 2009
edited by Goyo
posted by Goyo
wonderully documented greg - 00494d19, Nov 27, 2009
Sorry, none of this is useful to me. I'm doomed, I guess, because to me it's all as sounding brass and signifying nothing. Just another preacher a'preaching... - 0057ed01, Nov 28, 2009
volpo, you don't have to be religious to deal with the fact that other people are religious around you. That is what is behind the topic of this thread, so if you are to understand the thread you need to have the background. - Goyo, Nov 28, 2009
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I think that some American women are just sick of the so-called equality, when in fact they were supposed to work full time, look after their children and the house at the same time. They're fed up with the image of Ally McBeal or Samantha Jones. The welfare society enables them to stay at home on just one income and still enjoy their lives, without privation. Whereas in Europe, mostly in post-soviet countries, we are still fighting for a better social status, which can be easier achieved by the means of DINKS (Double Income, No Kids).

updated Nov 27, 2009
posted by Issabela
You are right there Issabela - true equality will never be achieved until men learn how to use an iron. - sheila-foster, Nov 26, 2009
True equality will be achieved when women learn how to stack 100 pound concrete blocks. - Malenor, Nov 26, 2009
I regularly stack 50kg sacks of animal feed - does that count? - sheila-foster, Nov 26, 2009
yes. - Malenor, Nov 26, 2009
Malenor, do ALL men learn how to stack 100 pound concrete blocks? - Issabela, Nov 27, 2009
No, some men are smart enough to get their wives to do it (saves gym fees). That's after she gets him a beer. It's tiring watching someone else work. - 0074b507, Nov 27, 2009
jejeje :)) - Issabela, Nov 27, 2009
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You are right there Issabela - true equality will never be achieved until men learn how to use an iron. - sheila-foste 3 hrs ago delete | flag

What´s an iron?

updated Nov 27, 2009
posted by Eddy
Slow down, Eddy, you still need to figure out what the washing machine is! -lol - aloshek, Nov 26, 2009
a male problem, multi-tasking. Does the iron go in the washing machine? - Eddy, Nov 26, 2009
yes Eddy, put the iron in the washing machine with the cat. - nizhoni1, Nov 26, 2009
omg.....lol - 00494d19, Nov 27, 2009
So you use wooden or fiberglass clubs? Irons are the clubs with the smaller heads. - 0074b507, Nov 27, 2009
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Estoy muy de acuerdo con Heidita sobre esto. Con todo respeto, creo que este el “surrendered wife” movimiento es una ideología religiosa y política de los fundamentalistas cristianos en las Estados Unidos. Trato a mi mujer como a un igual. Admiro una mujer que piensa de forma independiente.

updated Nov 27, 2009
posted by JBlanco
¿De dónde eres Juan? - 00494d19, Nov 26, 2009
Estoy en los Estados Unidos. - JBlanco, Nov 26, 2009
Wake up Juan!! Have you considered there might be a REASON she asked you?? (Just funnin") - GaryT, Nov 26, 2009
I imagine that Heidita can speak for herself. :) - JBlanco, Nov 27, 2009