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How would you say something like "There hasn't been any coffee in the cafeteria for awhile"? No ha habido cafe en mucho tiempo? The "ha habido" sounds wierd, its a combination of two forms of "haber" together. Any ideas? Thanks!!

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updated Jul 29, 2009
posted by gtrgrl

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A student last week said "call up, hang up, beat up, stand up" What the heck does "up" have to do with these actions''!! gulp

A wonderful introduction to what does "se" mean in "se va", "se calla", or "se acuerda".

updated Jul 29, 2009
posted by lazarus1907
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...English speakers... typically have no clue how inconsistent, illogical, and "confusing" modern English grammar, construction, and syntax really are.

I volunteer as a teacher of English as a Second Language (all of my students are Brazilians who came to our town to work in the fishing industry), and I get a lot of questions about this "inconsistent, illogical, and confusing" language! It's incredible how crazy English can be.

A student last week said "call up, hang up, beat up, stand up" What the heck does "up" have to do with these actions''!! gulp

updated Jul 29, 2009
posted by --Mariana--
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Very true. English speakers, particularly Americans who have never been exposed to learning other languages, typically have no clue how inconsistent, illogical, and "confusing" modern English grammar, construction, and syntax really are. I mean this from a linguistic standpoint, not to down my language.

It is difficult to break students of the "but in English we don't do it that way, we do it this way" objections to the grammar/syntax of other languages.

For me, it is helpful to note the contrasts; for some reason the contrasts serve as a mnemonic device in my mind, whereas for many they are an obstacle, due to the fact, I guess, that they cannot get beyond the idea that anything that is different is "wrong."

updated Jul 29, 2009
posted by hhmdirocco
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"I have had enough"

Funny how people perceive odd constructions in a foreign language but not in their own.

True: you don't start to analyse how 'peculiar' your own language is until you have to try to answer questions about it and explain how it works.

updated Jul 29, 2009
posted by lazarus1907
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Funny how people perceive odd constructions in a foreign language but not in their own.
Shouldn't be funny. What about (a fairly old quotation/phrase), "First caste out the beam in thine own eye (before offering to remove the mote from the eye of another).

updated Jul 28, 2009
posted by samdie
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The "ha habido" sounds wierd, its a combination of two forms of "haber" together.

"I have had enough"

Funny how people perceive odd constructions in a foreign language but not in their own.

updated Jul 28, 2009
posted by 00719c95
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As Heidi said, it is correct, and people use it every now and then. However, you're more likely to find sentences like:

Hace mucho que ho hay café en la tienda.

The verb "haber" used for existence, you have:

Hay
Ha habido
Había
Había habido
Hubo
Hubo habido
Habrá
Habrá habido
Habría
Habría habido

updated Jul 28, 2009
posted by lazarus1907
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HI gt, you are right, good job. wink

No ha habido café en la tienda hace tiempo.

this construction is correct even though rather unusual. We would probably use the present simple here.

updated Jul 28, 2009
posted by 00494d19