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Do you feel down? Not learning enough? Come to Encouragement Island/Isla de Apoyo!

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I would like to introduce a new (continuing) thread. smile

We have a beautiful International Cafe in the forum. We also have our famous "Dunce Corner". wink

I would now like to welcome you to Encouragement Island or as the locals call it Isla de Apoya.

Do you feel down? Not learning enough? Come to Encouragment Island!

You are safe here. Are you ready to throw your grammar books in the trash? Are you doing cartwheels because you just spoke to a taxi driver in Spanish? Or, are you somewhere in between?

Well this is a relaxing tropical paradise where you can get away from it all. Unload your burdens and we will be here to encourage you. This also transforms into a party island where everyone is encouraged to join in the fun when you have a reason to celebrate learning a new language!

So, come to our little island getaway whenever you are in need of a hug to keep you going or if you are ready to dance until sunrise! There will always be someone here to greet you!

This is not a thread for grammar or vocabulary help, but rather a place for all of us to share in the trials and tribulations of language learning. Spanish and English natives welcome!

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updated Jun 3, 2015
edited by Nicole-B
posted by Nicole-B

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I was in the grocery store about a month ago when a young man spoke to me. He was alone, pushing a cart with only a few things in it. He asked, in Spanish, if I spoke Spanish.

I was so excited that even now I can't remember his words. Mine were un poquito. He was very happy to hear that and he repeated me, Un poquito. He was looking for the cooking oil so I told him veintitrés and looked up at the aisle number hanging from the ceiling so he would know what I meant. Off he went to aisle 23.

I just love a happy ending. smile

updated Feb 20, 2013
posted by Sabor
Hahahahaha! That should be turned into a movie :) - SpanishPal, Jul 1, 2011
I think so, too :) - Sabor, Jul 1, 2011
jejejejejeje - teasip, Jul 1, 2011
That is a great story and just what we're looking for here! - Nicole-B, Jul 1, 2011
Thanks Nicole - Sabor, Jul 1, 2011
It's exactly such moments which make all the sweat and tears worthwhile! - territurtle, Jul 2, 2011
Awesome, you communicated in Spanish :) - EL_MAG0, Jul 2, 2011
Well done Sabor as you continue to use what you know you will discover a growing confidence in sharing /using your Spanish to help others and this will better help you toremember it :) - FELIZ77, Jul 4, 2011
to remember it :) - FELIZ77, Jul 4, 2011
Thanks to all of you for being so nice :) - Sabor, Jul 4, 2011
thanks - impetus, Aug 25, 2011
That's how it is in life! Great. - annierats, Sep 6, 2011
in a rom-com, you'd marry him - Saythatagain, Oct 13, 2011
jejejejejejejeje - kiersten11, Nov 30, 2011
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Pesta said:

Enough vocabulary was in my head to start, but never enough to finish.

This is a great example for this thread. I think all of us know what it is like to have three or four words to express a thought, but fall short of having all of the words to complete a sentence.

Then you get to the point where you know all of the words but struggle with which order to put them in.

Normally for me, I can come up with what I wanted to say when I am thinking about it later and not under pressure. But actually, the pressure is all in my own head.

Does anyone else experience this? smile

Last week in Mexico I wavered between feeling like a success story and being a Spanish speaking toddler. tongue laugh

"Look at me, I speak Spanish!"

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updated May 30, 2012
posted by Nicole-B
I'm actually brunette, but you get the idea. :) - Nicole-B, Jul 1, 2011
Ay, ¡Qué bonita es la niña en tu foto Nicole! - nonombre, Jul 2, 2011
I think that's a common problem for all, Nicole. Notice how toddlers try to form a sentence...thinking, pausing sometimes getting frustrated,. That's how the human brain works - SpanishPal, Jul 2, 2011
Awww, you're right Nicole :) I love brunettes by the way :) - EL_MAG0, Jul 2, 2011
Annie, I just grabbed that pic off line. She is a cutie though. :) - Nicole-B, Jul 2, 2011
Being a Spanish-speaking toddler will be a great milestone for me. ; ) - TejanoViejo, Jul 8, 2011
I feel this way often. I've been going to a Spanish Bible Study and although I want people to talk to me, I go into a panic when they do. Sometimes after a conversation I'll be upset because I didn't remember a word. - KLing, Jul 15, 2011
Yes. I have the same experience. It is a lack of confidence. Like you it makes me so made that I know what I should´ve said later when I think about it. ¡Uh! - ValenciaVal, Jul 19, 2011
When people get impatient with me while trying to speak Spanish, I wish they could see that I am only a one-year-old as far as language, not the adult that stands in front of them. - katydew, Sep 19, 2011
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I was in the pub the other day, where else? and I was reading a copy of El Pais I'd bought in the local supermarket. A guy came up to me and said something like ¿Perdoneme por interrumpir le pero eres español?

I replied, No, lo siento soy escocés

The poor guy grinned wryly, "me too!" He's studying Spanish and thought he saw an opportunity to practise. grin

updated May 1, 2012
posted by lagartijaverde
That is funny! But you could still practice together. - Nicole-B, Jul 2, 2011
Jeje :) - EL_MAG0, Jul 2, 2011
This happened to me in Madrid all of the time. When we switched to English everyone was relieved. - JoyceM, Jul 6, 2011
don't switch to English! - elainepnj, Aug 3, 2011
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Never mind being discouraged about learning Spanish , which I am in spades'

but last year I was in England on holiday and went into a quaint English pub,

I asked for a glass of Cider and was given two Pork Pies , I was so embarrassed

I bought them and ate the flaming horrible meaty packets , so I am for the Island ahora. Here is mine .

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updated Feb 28, 2013
edited by ray76
posted by ray76
I love your Island Ray! If it is for sale, I just might upgrade. - Nicole-B, Jul 1, 2011
Ray, just call me when you need someone to eat the pork pies for you in your island. - Rikko, Jul 1, 2011
Do you like Pork pies mate , if so you can have my share with pleasure. - ray76, Jul 1, 2011
To be on this island, I'd eat any pie, Ray.! - Rikko, Jul 1, 2011
I see you can get some good hearty laughs on your island! - territurtle, Jul 2, 2011
Whenever you see the names Rikko and Ray then you know that there are plenty of laughs coming . - ray76, Jul 2, 2011
Hello maye! - EL_MAG0, Jul 2, 2011
Hello mate :) - EL_MAG0, Jul 2, 2011
I'll have your pork pie, so long as it is a proper Melton Mowbray one with water pastry, yummy. - MaryMcc, Jul 2, 2011
Are they the best mate ? - ray76, Jul 2, 2011
I hope they smell better than Stilton , or is that made somewhere else. - ray76, Jul 2, 2011
Maybe ,it was me who gave you the "Porky PIES"? - Jadine, Jul 20, 2011
Oh Ray, that is so funny! That would probably happen to me too! ;-) - Gillygaloo, Aug 3, 2011
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The french have a saying "esprit de l'escalier" (staircase wit).

Which means after you've left the party (or many other situations you can imagine) and you are walking down the long staircase, just as you get toward the bottom, you think of the perfect comeback!

Well, whenever I try to speak a foreign language, I am constantly experiencing staircase wit. Long after I've left the scene of giving directions, exchanging polite chit-chat, etc., it seems I always think of a better way to have said it, and all the grammar mistakes I made. Sigh. red face

I would say this is the main reason for me "freezing." When someone carrying loads of packages asks me where the bus stop is, I know if I just stand there and stutter, they will leave thinking they met the village idiot. And, to be truthful, I sure do feel like they did!!

updated Apr 7, 2012
posted by territurtle
jajaja - Staircase wit - I never knew there was a name for it, but I definitely have a bad case of it. Are there pills that you can take for it? jajaja - 001a2987, Jul 2, 2011
Si terri y indiana, también sufrio de "staircase wit" :) - nonombre, Jul 2, 2011
I have spoken in Spanish andrethought my words too, I wish I would hadsaid otro instead of otra jeje - EL_MAG0, Jul 2, 2011
I know how you feel, when someone asks me somthing in Spanish, outside my class, I freeze light a rabbit in headlights. - MaryMcc, Jul 2, 2011
Chris, wouldn't it be wonderful if there were pills -- man could we ever stock up! ;) - territurtle, Jul 2, 2011
Annie, Wilbur, et al., it is s_o_o_o very comforting to know I'm not alone!! - territurtle, Jul 2, 2011
Of course this happens all the time to me. I just think of it as a learning oppurtunity and think out how many different ways I could have said it. - elainepnj, Jul 26, 2011
Good for you, Elaine! You´re really right, of course -- it I S how we learn to incorporate language deeper into the immediate recall areas of our brain.l - territurtle, Aug 13, 2011
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Es una muy buena idea! Gracias

Estoy aquí en la Isla de Apoya porque estoy celebrando leer mi primero cuento español, era un cuento para niños aunque. cool smile

I'm here on the Isla de Apoya because I'm celebrating reading my first Spanish story, it was a children story though.

updated Jan 27, 2012
edited by SpanishPal
posted by SpanishPal
Children's stories, movies and TV shows are perfect for beginners. That is how we learn as children...little by little. We don't start out by discussing the philosophy of life. - Nicole-B, Jul 1, 2011
Good job Pal! - EL_MAG0, Jul 2, 2011
One of my Spanish books is for children too: La tortuga Casandra por José Francisco Viso :) - FELIZ77, Jul 4, 2011
Depsite being suitable to read to children from 6 years (a partir de 6 años) It has some quite difficult words to pronounce: eg atragantándose - FELIZ77, Jul 4, 2011
I think is "Isla de Apoyo" and leer mi "primer" cuento... :) - Animalescus, Aug 14, 2011
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I just have to jump in. That desert island is sooooooooo inviting, and I bet they only speak Spanish there! smile

Edit:

Okay, time to vent.

My wife and I spent two wonderful weeks in the jungles of Panama last August, at Canopy Tower, a birding and nature eco-lodge. The people who operate this facility are very eco-responsible, and otherwise very friendly, too. They and the birding guides are all bilingual. I took every opportunity to converse in Spanish. The kitchen staff were the best, since they mostly spoke no English.

In hindsight, I did okay, but it was very hard to think of something to say for which I had adequate vocabulary. Whenever I did have something I really needed to say, I froze up. Enough vocabulary was in my head to start, but never enough to finish. I was furious by the end of each encounter.

Forget about any fancy grammar, present tense indicative would have been enough, except for brain-freeze.

Oh, well... today there were construction workers at my office complex peeling wallpaper in the hallways. They were talking among themselves in Spanish, and I understood most of it. Maybe next week, I'll take a few minutes out of my work day, roll up my sleeves, and help them out.

Edit: 2011-07-05

You can't trust these guys. They took a day off. Uffff!!!

Edit: 2011-09-09

They never came back.

updated Dec 23, 2011
edited by pesta
posted by pesta
It doesn't matter if you barely speak English, barely speak Spanish or a combination of both. It is just a place to vent your frustrations and to share your victories. - Nicole-B, Jul 1, 2011
Thanks for adding that experience to this post. I think we have all experienced having a bunch of vocabulary in our head, with no idea how to form a complete sentence. - Nicole-B, Jul 1, 2011
I wish you well with your encounter with the construction workers! - Nicole-B, Jul 1, 2011
Ah, the freeze frame ... at my age you begin attributing it to senility. :( - territurtle, Jul 2, 2011
Brain freeze, perhaps you need yet another cup of coffee in the mornings Andy... ? Jeje :) - EL_MAG0, Jul 2, 2011
Jeje Hoho Been there too ! - pacofinkler, Aug 26, 2011
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I need a break on this Island after my holiday in Spain. After all my studies, I totally failed to explain to the receptionist that the cooker in our apartment gave us electric shocks. He looked at me blankly. My husband mimed getting an electric shock and a repairs man was sent up to the apartment very quickly. Next time I shall pack the BIG DICTIONARY instead of that unnecessary thick pullover that took up so much room in the hand-luggage..And maybe leave my husband behind, it's the only way forward.

updated Apr 1, 2014
posted by annierats
"Leave your husband behind..." That is very funny!! :) I will answer this in a separate post above. - Nicole-B, Sep 26, 2011
Uff that is worth a vote for sure ! - pacofinkler, Sep 26, 2011
Ha ha this always happens to me. Spanish is just for the things that we can't mime. That's why i hate talking on the phone so much! - rabbitwho, Sep 27, 2011
Rabbit, the phone really is rather stressmaking. Even smiling doesn't help.. - annierats, Sep 27, 2011
So true, Annierats!! - territurtle, Sep 28, 2011
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Lately I've been trying to make more opportunities to speak Spanish with people around me. I had a brief conversation with one of the workers at my ranch last weekend about what to do about a tree branch that had broken but not quite fallen out of the tree. The other day a woman stopped me on the street and asked me about a house that was for rent in our neighborhood. I was wearing a T-shirt that says Pura Vida that one of my kids brought me back from Costa Rica. She got excited, asked if I had been to Costa Rica, and said she was originally from Nicaragua. I switched to Spanish and talked to her about living in Venezuela back when dinosaurs roamed the llanos.

My biggest problem is vocabulary. I've been reading El Asedio, a historical fiction novel about the siege of Cádiz in 1811-1812. I have to look up several words per page. I'm also getting old, so when I go back to review my own flashcards it seems like I've never seen many of the words before. That old saw about kids being better at learning languages really is true.

updated Apr 4, 2013
posted by KevinB
These are great examples Kevin. To help with vocab while reading, I would suggest using a Kindle. If you download a Spanish/English dictionary, you simply have to click on any word in a Spanish speaking book you download and the definition will come up. - Nicole-B, Jul 1, 2011
Realy Niciole , I have a kindle and never new what to do with it , that sounds awsome I will give it a try .. - jennyo45, Jul 2, 2011
Well Kevin, I face that problem too, looking many words up and then having to do that again the next time you them. I think our minds have a certain quota for storing new words. It's a common problem - SpanishPal, Jul 2, 2011
I hate it when I recognize my handwriting, but not the word. - JoyceM, Jul 6, 2011
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Well, I can't complain:

My hubby is talking to me againgrin

I had a marriage proposalgrin

Jenny has been to a weddinggrin

Celestino is growing fast and outgrowing big blackybig surprise

I learnt some nice slang with my friends on skyperaspberry

Lovely is feeling good againgrin

I had a Siatsu massage today (I survivedraspberry ) grin

I bought a Roscón for breakfast for the weekendgrin

I talk with my friends every night.

Jorgito has learnt how to say : butifuuuuuuuuuuuuu. grin

It has been a good weeksmile

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updated May 30, 2012
posted by 00494d19
:-)) - pacofinkler, Oct 26, 2011
Thanks for spreading some joy and sunshine around our island!!! I'm happy to hear you are having a good day. You deserve many, many more!!!!!!!! - Nicole-B, Oct 26, 2011
:) - 001a2987, Oct 26, 2011
way to go H! - billygoat, Oct 27, 2011
butufuuuuu awww that's so cute! - 00b6f46c, Oct 28, 2011
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Here was my entire mastery of Spanish a year ago:

Thanks to 100s of people (even the ones no longer with us) here at SD, I now have a vocabulary over 1,000 words, know the regular conjugation endings, dozens of rules of grammar, lots of helpful phrases, listen to the news in Spanish (and generally understand the topic with the help of the graphics in the background wink ), and can make myself understood most of the time in Uruguay.

And Post responses in the "Word of the Day" which take me less than five hours to compose, and on occasion actually use the word of the day!! But not today. red face

Now I just have to get beyond ...

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updated Feb 22, 2012
edited by territurtle
posted by territurtle
well done Terri! :) - billygoat, Dec 2, 2011
That is amazing Terri!!! So I guess we both started out with a measly four words/expressions. jeje You are doing great!!! - Nicole-B, Dec 2, 2011
I also appreciate your support and encouragement on our little island! :) - Nicole-B, Dec 2, 2011
Not half as much as I've appreciated visiting your island! It's has always gotten me through the worst of times -- and given me the great joy of sharing moments of triumph with friends like Billy. - territurtle, Dec 3, 2011
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My cell phone rang the other day and I said, "Hello". The other person said,"Buenas tardes, ¿está Maria?" and it was 9 PM. Forgetting any Spanish I said, "Sorry, wrong number". I wish I could have thought of something better to say.

updated Jun 3, 2015
posted by sanlee
Hola querida - ¿pero la próxima vez serás lista, no? - nonombre, Jul 2, 2011
Hola amiga :) - EL_MAG0, Jul 2, 2011
How do you say Sorry, wrong number in Spanish? - Luzbonita, Jul 4, 2011
that's sad - Dakie, Jul 4, 2011
Next time: "Lo siento, tiene numero equivocado" - Silvia, Jul 4, 2011
Thanks, I'll try that! - sanlee, Jul 25, 2011
Lo siento, número equivocado :D jeje, next time you'll be prepare for sure - Vicente1, Nov 28, 2011
It happened again the other day, but this time I misdialed a call. I got a Spanish answering machine and hung up - sanlee, Dec 14, 2011
And they called right back in a minute or two and I was surprised into English again. Oh, they seemed to speak English fine. - sanlee, Dec 14, 2011
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So last night, I had my first dream in Spanish - I forget the details, but a fluent Spanish speaker was talking with a non-fluent person, and I ended up translating - I can't remember what it was all about, but what I remember most is waking up....


When I woke up, I was extremely worried, almost panicking, and the phrase that was running through my mind was:

Oh no, no puedo recordar como hablar en inglés

Of course, I was able to remember after I woke up a little, but I was very worried at first...

jaja - I just thought is was a funny story, thought I'd share....hopefully I will start dreaming more in Spanish, of course without the scary ending smile

updated Feb 22, 2012
edited by 001a2987
posted by 001a2987
Chris when we begin to dream in Spanish we have made a HUGE step forward - pacofinkler, Oct 5, 2011
lol, that was a funny story - Goldie_Miel, Oct 5, 2011
I actually had my first dream in spanish this night, as well. I was in China, supposed to have learned chinese, but when I started to speak with them, I spoke spanish :P - inridk, Oct 6, 2011
I congaratulate you! You're doing ever so much better than I am, ojála, to dream in Spanish.. - annierats, Oct 9, 2011
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Feliz

I seem to be at a crossroads or turning point right now and wonder whether It was all worth the effort after many years since many other new people here have developed a much more natural style of speaking and writing Spanish than I have probably in much less time.

It is obvious if one cares to look at the threads that I am the person you are talking about. As I have openly admitted many times, my English (particularly grammar) is not always the best and I actually welcome corrections if I have made a mistake - which I very often do!

However, Feliz, you completely dissected my post and got it wrong. What I said to you was please only correct my English if you are 100% sure that you are right.

From the above quote I can perhaps now see why. Well let me tell you this: Yes, ok I've only been learning Spanish for a year or so, but I have many many gaps in my knowledge. I am NOT in competition with anybody - only myself. I am motivated and determined to continue improving as much as I can.

I am very lucky to be given lots of, quite personal at times, help from some very respected native Spanish speakers on this site. I do admit, I tend to tailor many of my phrases and sentences to syllabus that I have been learning with the help of these people.

Feliz, please do not take any of this personal and I would encourage you to keep on going. As the very wise Pacofinkler said, Spanish is a journey and we all continue at our own pace. Also, as Heidita will tell you lol, it was only a couple of days ago I was considering putting my level back to beginner! Keep your chin up - no hard feelings on my part.

updated May 2, 2012
posted by billygoat
Okay thank You Billy :) - FELIZ77, Dec 14, 2011
You are welcome. I look forward to the day when we can laugh about all this...... in Spanish of course!!!!!! Take care. - billygoat, Dec 14, 2011
Obviously the remark that I made above which you have quoted only refers to my Spanish not to my English - FELIZ77, Dec 14, 2011
Obviously the remark that I made above which you have quoted only refers to my Spanish not to my English - FELIZ77, Dec 14, 2011
Yes I hope so Billy :) - FELIZ77, Dec 14, 2011
Seems a tempest in a teapot caballeros ! we love you both - pacofinkler, Dec 14, 2011
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Kevin said,

That old saw about kids being better at learning languages really is true<


Sorry, Kevin, but don't agree with this - I think kids have the "potential" to be "better at learning languages" but quite often they don't have what us oldies have - persistance and enthusiasm - to me these traits win "hands-down" over a young brain wink

updated Jan 3, 2012
posted by nonombre
Hi Annie :) I hope enthusiasm beats alzheimers jejeje :) - EL_MAG0, Jul 2, 2011
ditto:) - Silvia, Jul 4, 2011
I'm with you Annie! I'd like to that there are a few benefits that come with my advanced maturity! - MLucie, Jul 6, 2011
Rock on Annie , and another benefit is the ability to say NO and then laugh , no more guilt or regrets. - ray76, Dec 14, 2011