ASK A QUESTION The Preterit
How does the preterit fit into the explanation below? or is it a category by it self? "The indicative (el indicativo) is one of three moods in Spanish, the other two being the subjunctive and the imperative."
It really doesn't fit at all. The preterit is a tense, not a mood. Tense indicates the time frame - past, present, or future. Mood indicates "modality", or the specific use within a tense. Technically, each tense can be expressed with all three modalities or moods.
This link gives more info : moods
I agree with Noetol that tenses, which include preterito, are a determination of time. Moods (cases) are a separate entity even though they modify or enhance tenses. The fact that there may be an imperfect subjunctive, but not a preterite subjunctive doesn´t change this.
In the end this is interesting grammar stuff for discussion in the teachers´ lounge at university, but it´s not nearly as important as just knowing how and when to use each tense and case.
Technically, each tense can be expressed with all three moods
Mostly correct. but not in each case. For instance, I think in the subjunctive (though it´s a mood where I¨m obviously often proven wrong) there is only one form of simple-past. There is an imperfect subjunctive, but not a preterite subjunctive (though somewhat counterintuitively and-or unexpectedly for we newbies, the imperfect subjunctive is formed from stems based on the preterite indicative. Que marvilloso!
But overall, your point is good. Preterite is a tense, which is chosen to express time.
Whereas the original poster´s other terms were all moods. It´s an apples-to-aardvarks comparison.
Tenses are PART of moods - but they are different.
For example, the present indicative tense is part of the indicative mood. The present subjunctive is part of the subjunctive mood. The present imperative is part of the imperative mood.
The preterit tense (amé, amaste, amó, amamos, amaron) is part of the indicative mood.
There is no tense called the preterit in the subjunctive mood. The closest equivalent might be the present perfect subjunctive tense, AKA el preterito perfecto subjuntivo (haya amado, hayas amado etc.).
Neither is there a preterit tense in the imperative mood. The imperative mood just has one tense - the present imperative (ama, ame, amemos etc.)
Well, guys, I realIy think you are all saying the same things but using different words.
Yes, there are three moods in Spanish, and each mood has its own tenses, so Noetol is absolutely right in pointing out this difference.
My advise is, be careful with the "labels" of those tenses, because they may differ a lot depending on the source. For example, what you call "imperfect- preterit" in Spanish is called "pretérito imperfecto simple- pretérito perfecto simple". The word pretérito itself just means "past". Calling "pretérito perfecto" just "preterit" or even "saying" that the preterit is a tense must be understood like a shortage, because there are several preterit (past) tenses in Spanish.
Anyway, no matter how we call them, the important thing is knowing how to use them, I suppose.
The preterit is part of the indicative mood.
Just to reiterate, a mood is a mood, a tense is a tense. They are different things. There is another thing called an "aspect" that also works into all of this.
Check out this thread for a discussion on this. mood
I hope more people chime in on this. I obviously can't convince you that moods and tenses are different things. A tense is a time frame. A mood is a modality. They are related, obviously. Perhaps we are having a semantics issue. There most certainly is a "pretérito de subjuntivo". In this sense, it just means "past subjunctive". Again, check out this thread tenses, moods, aspects
This preterit tense - amé, amaste, amó, amamos, amaron etc., does not have a corresponding tense in the subjunctive mood. Nor does it exist in the imperative mood.
There are 3 past subjunctive tenses in spanish:
Imperfect: amara, amaras, amara, amaramos, amaran Present Perfect: Haya amado, hayas amado, haya amado, hayamos amado, hayan amado Past Perfect: hubiera amado, hubieras amado, hubiera amado, hubieramos amado, hubieran amado
Each of these have their own equivalent in the indicative mood:
Imperfect: amaba, amabas, amaba etc Present perfect: He amado, has amado etc. Past Perfect: Había amado, habías amado etc.
Therefore, when speaking of the preterit tense (amé, amaste etc.), it is safe to say that it is an indicative tense.