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"You are capitalizing El Atrevido as if it was a kind of nickname that everybody knew him by."

I got zero in grammar. I always have this tendency to write, as in the above sentence, "as if it were a kind of...". but then I always change my mind and write was. Heeeelp!

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In regards to your original question:

"As if it were" is a hypothetical/contrary to fact condition [subjunctive] and not a declaration [indicative].

Subjunctive

"You are capitalizing El Atrevido as if it were a (kind of) nickname that everybody knew him by."

Indicative

"You are capitalizing El Atrevido because it was a (kind of) nickname that everybody knew him by"


In a more general sense, the verb "were" is used differently in the indicative and subjunctive moods.

Subjunctive invariable verb form across person and number in the present tense

Were I a fish I would swim through the ocean [hypothetical]

Were you a fish you would swim through the ocean [hypothetical]

Were we fish we would swim through the ocean [hypothetical]

Were he/she/it a fish he/she/it would swim through the ocean [hypothetical]

Were they fish they would swim through the ocean [hypothetical]

Indicative Variable verb form across person and number. When used in the indicative, "were" and "was" are in the past tense

I was like a fish when I swam through the ocean [declaration]

You were like a fish when you swam through the ocean [declaration]

We were like fish when we swam through the ocean [declaration]

He/she/it was like a fish when he/she/it swam through the ocean [declaration]

They were like fish when they swam through the ocean [declaration]


If you were to use the past tense to describe a hypothetical condition then you would use:

Had I been born a fish then I would swim through the ocean..etc.


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If I was you

If you were it

If it was me

If I were you

If it were you

If it were me

(Actually, it should be "If it were I," but only I know that; so say "If it were me" or you'll get laughed at.)

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English actually does have subjunctive conjugation, and we use it in the conditional clauses and a few other places, but it is distinguishable only in a few verbs. - webdunce Nov 3
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I would say "as if it were some kind of nickname..."

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that's what I thought, but never did it...thanks. - robertico Nov 3
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I would say:

"as if it were a kind of..."

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That might be a good way to think of it. Hypothetical would be another way. Like "If I WERE a doctor I would..."

The underlying situation in English is contrary-to-fact (not mere hypothesis/supposition). Consider any number to mathematical statements: one can quite reasonably (and correctly) say "If A equals B, then ...". This is a simple hypothesis (and the use of the indicative, suggests that the speaker/writer thinks that A does, indeed, equal B). "If A were to equal B", suggests that the writer/speaker does not think that they are equal but is willing to entertain (probably/certainly false) assumptions for the sake of the argument.

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Well put. - webdunce Nov 3
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¡Hola! Robertico:

I extracted these definitions from the Collins on-line dictionary:

Was vb (with I, he, she, it, or a singular noun as subject) be, (the past tense of)

Were vb be, (the form of the past tense of) used after we, you, they, or a plural noun, or as a subjunctive in conditional sentences,

[Were, as a remnant of the past subjunctive in English, were is used in formal contexts in clauses expressing hypotheses (if he were to die, she would inherit everything), suppositions contrary to fact (if I were you, I would be careful), and desire (I wish he were there now). In informal speech, however, was is often used instead.]

On the basis of those two definitions, I would choose "was" for the circumstances of your sentence construction.

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Isn't You the subject though? This answer makes me think were. - Seitheach Nov 3
No, it is a clause that requires subjunctive. Were is correct. - webdunce Nov 3
were is the grammatically correct form to use - Izanoni1 Nov 3
I chose "was" because "El Atrevido" actually was his nickname. I did not accept that there was any conjecture, wishing it were so or anything conditional about "El Atrevido." - Moe Nov 3
I see your reasoning on this Moe. My only conflict with this is that he says "as if it were/was." To me that sounds like it is setting up a contrary to fact condition which would require the subjunctive - Izanoni1 Nov 3
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Are these correct then?

If I was you

If you were it

If it was me

Man!!! Am I ever confused! I'm just going on what sounds good to my ears.

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I usually go with what sounds good myself. - Seitheach Nov 3
No. It is "If I were you" and "If it were me" - Eric-1995 Nov 3
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English actually does have subjunctive conjugation, and we use it in the conditional clauses and a few other places, but it is distinguishable only in a few verbs.

It is distinguishable in all verbs. The difference in morphology between the subjunctive and indicative is apparent in all verbs by the absence of the /-z/ phoneme in the third person present indicative.

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Let someone stated before the word were is used as a subjunctive for English. If you wish something WERE someway but it is not then use 'were'.

Was is used for things that are so. (The ball WAS red. I wish the ball WERE red).

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contrary-to-fact? - qfreed Nov 3
That might be a good way to think of it. Hypothetical would be another way. Like "If I WERE a doctor I would..." - Jankow Nov 3
Yes qfreed. "Contrary to fact" is a term I have encountered in several different grammar texts to describe conditions necessary for the subjunctive mood, especially regarding "if-clauses" - Izanoni1 Nov 3
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Wow! So many good answers here! Thank you guys.

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I'd say "as if it were a kind of nickname". grin

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